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Website Updates and Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What browser are you using? (IMPORTANT POLL)

« on: July 20, 2011, 01:47:52 PM »

IE 9 which is the best so far of all the IE browsers. When I need to have two browsers up at once so I can work faster, I have Firefox 4 which is not as fast. I also have Safari just to check with at times. Have also used opera and some of the others, but since  a lot of pages are still desgned for IE, it makes more sense to use IE. Rememer that in IE- 9 under tools, you can click on F12 Developer Tools and then choose to use IE-7, IE 8, or combinations of all three depending on whether you want to change your browser mode and or your document mode.
Viejo

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USS Marlin (SST-2) / Re: Update on the Marlin and Freedom Park

« on: June 04, 2011, 12:25:43 PM »

For those who haven't heard, Freedom Park is closed due to flooding. Many of the exhbits were moved to other places. Vehicles were set up on a mound that hopefully is above the level expected to be reached in the park.  The Marlin and the Hazard have mooring lines set to concrete anchors and will be adjusted as the ships rise ( if they do) because of the 10 foot rise  of water that is expected to hit within the next 2 weeks. The park is expected to be under water for the next 6 months. See the facebook page for Freedom Park to look at what has happened so far. I'll continue to update it with pictures and information.
Viejo

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Website Updates and Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What browser are you using? (IMPORTANT POLL)

« on: May 01, 2011, 06:39:45 PM »

If you have viruses, the problem is in your anti-virus program, not the browser you use. Not to say that IE does not attract viruses more than some browsers, but any of the good anti virus programs should be protecting you from viruses. I go to many sites every day and since 1995 have only had two viruses get by the programs I use and Malwarebytes was able to take care of one of those.

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Website Updates and Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What browser are you using? (IMPORTANT POLL)

« on: April 30, 2011, 09:37:48 PM »

Ric, another friend who loves firefox is Myron Howard and he helps me with computer related issues, so I am sure that Firefox is a good system. I just can't say that I have any problems with IE and never have, but also don't have computer crashes, lock ups, etc. To my knowledge, no one has ever hacked into my computer. Once in awhile, VIPRE tells me that someone tried to do this or that or that they stopped a trojan, but none get through. Not sure why, other than I have used things like Ccleaner, Malwarebyte, Spywareblaster for a long time and recently switched to VIPRE for the antivirus; and of course avoid the sites that will for sure give you problems. I have gone and cleaned a lot of neighbors computers and was always amazed at how much junk they collected by not being careful in opening pages and emails.
I brought up IE again just to see and it was less than two seconds to come up with the browser, then typed in Facebook, and it was up in less than two seconds. As mentioned, the main reason I continue to use IE is because many of our older shipmates use it ( far greater percentage than what normal computer users have) so that way, I know when I put up something it will work for them. The big disadvantage I have seen with firefox and I have a notion it is because I have not figured the best way to do it is that with Firefox, if I want to save a file, it uses some download system, then I have to click on that and go through the save process. With IE, I just save and put it where I want. Also each time I update my firefox, then have to check to make sure things still work that worked with the older version. but I don't have any problems with it, just don't see the problems with IE that many report. I am sure you are looking for more less well known things than me, but so far most times I find what I am looking for. Course I also put google for a search engine on IE, Firefox, Opera, and Safari, cause I always thought the search engine was what helped or hindered finding things, but then I am mostly just a type and save type guy, so a lot of what you do is over my head. But good thing is that we keep learning. I do like Windows 7 better than anything since NT 4.0. I use the 64 bit type and other than some things on my sticky password program don't work as well on 64 bit, haven't had any problems with it.  When you have time, give me some examples of things you can't find under IE and maybe I have just never looked for them. I am all for finding something that works better.
Thanks,
Viejo

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Website Updates and Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What browser are you using? (IMPORTANT POLL)

« on: April 30, 2011, 08:51:14 PM »

Ric, can't argue with you cause I don't know enough. I just know that Tim has never steered me wrong and his daughter and son, who now run the company with clients like the Army and Navy Medical Commands, back him up on the fact that IE is simpler to program than Firefox. I also know that their clients want and refuse to use anything other than IE because of many factors, mostly the cost to change. They are still using IE6  for their browsers. So have a notion we are discussing something from different perspectives. I have four browsers on my computers and can't say that I can see much difference anymore between say Firefox 4 and IE 9. IE usually comes up in less than two seconds and for my computer, Firefox is usually slower. But I am also sure I don't know as much about using Firefox as I have learned about IE. I know that downloading and saving files is simpler for me on IE. I also don't seem to have problems with spam or trojans so mainly use the different browsers to be able to bring up mulitple websites at the same time. Then also, doing many websites under the decklog system, it is just simpler to use IE since I know everything will always work with that. But there are a lot of people who prefer Firefox. That number also seems to be increasing. 

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: Facts about Teak Decking

« on: March 22, 2011, 11:50:05 AM »

The one thing I have found in trying to get facts about the museum ships is that you can't trust any source until you compare. I have been trying to find commissioning dates for the Marlin and have three Navy articles, all of which contradict each other.  I'm pretty sure it was not commissioned when put in service, but haven't been able to get any of the previous Commanding Officers to state when the Commissioning date was. I have a notion it is when it went from being T-2 to Marlin, but can't confirm it so far. So not surprised that charts of lumber might not always agree. As mentioned above, the older charts were put together with old growth lumber and now with new growth, span considerations, compression figures, etc all have been changing.
Viejo

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: Facts about Teak Decking

« on: February 27, 2011, 09:51:12 PM »

Rick,
I haven't cut one out yet, but from the looks, they are 2 inch 5/16" carriage bolts of steel. Most are gone with just the holes left. What is there is pretty much rusted. I"ll cut some out to make sure.
Viejo

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: Facts about Teak Decking

« on: February 24, 2011, 01:53:00 AM »

Just found out that Ironwood ( trademark name) is the same as IPE. So I have worked with it and it is hard, but finishes nicely. Went up to the Marlin today and measured and 200 sq ft will cover the part of the deck that had wood on it.  Saw that they were using 5/16" bolts. We'll have to drill them out.  Figured out from spacing of bolts that the wood must have been 2 1/2" wide and it was 1 1/2" in thickness. So think it will run around $3500 to buy the wood. Maybe as much in bolts, drill bits and saw blades. LOL  Actually if you use an actual rip blade when cutting any hardwood, your saw pulls about 20% less amps and the saw blade doesn't get near as dull as using a combination blade. I look forward to someday getting started on putting a wood deck back on the Marlin.  In reading about IPE, it said that the deck could last up to 40 years without a sealer and up to 100 years if you used one. Not sure I'll ever prove that one way or the other, but maybe a great grandkid can. I'll put up some pictures of the deck, probably on the Freedom Park page in the next few days.
Viejo

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: Facts about Teak Decking

« on: February 22, 2011, 10:26:28 PM »

Mark put up this info:Batfish deck is being replaced with Brazilian Purple Heart Wood.  According to a wood hardness table that I found a while ago, it's about 2/3 the hardness of teak. 
Here is probably the chart you were looking at or a similar one. There are a lot of variables in the same woods. Some of the american woods no longer match what they used to be, because they used to be cut mainly from heart wood and now are frequently cut from sap wood due to being a lot younger trees that grow in more open spaces. Also where it is grown makes a big difference.  So Teak and IPE are about the same at around 3500. Purple Heart is from 1860-2090 depending on how it is spelled. Also of course, how much resistance a piece of wood has to mold and insects makes a difference.
WOOD SPECIES RATING
California Redwood  420
Douglas Fir  660
Southern Yellow Pine (loblolly & short leaf)  690
Honduran Mahogany  800
African Mahogany  830
South American Lacewood  840
Southern Yellow Pine (longleaf)  870
Black Cherry  950
American Black Walnut
American Black Walnut Hardwood Flooring 1010
Peruvian Walnut  1080
Brazilian Eucalyptus  1125
Teak  1155
Bamboo (carbonized)  1180
Larch  1200
Heart Pine  1225
Caribbean Heart pine  1240
Yellow Birch  1260
Red Oak (Northern)  1290
American Beech  1300
Ash  1320
White Oak  1360
Australian Cypress  1375
Bamboo (natural)  1380
Royal Mahogany  1400
Hard maple  1450
African Walnut/Sappelle  1500
Brazlian Maple  1500
Zebrawood  1575
Wenge  1630
Brazilian Oak  1650
Bamboo  1650
Patens  1691
Peruvian Maple  1700
Kempas  1710
African Pedauk (Padeuk/African Cherry)  1725
Bolivian Rosewood /Morado  1780
Hickory/Pecan  1820
Kempas  1854
Purpleheart  1860
Jarrah  1910
Amendoim  1912
Merbau  1925
African Rosewood (Bubinga)  1980
Grapia  2053
Jarrah  2082
Purple Heart  2090
Tigerwood  2160
Burma Mahogany  2170
Amberwood  2200
Cabreuva (Santos Mahogany)  2200
Caribbean Rosewood  2300
Mesquite  2345
Brazilian Cherry (Jatoba) 2350
Peruvian Cherry  2350
Red Walnut  2450
African Cedar / Bosse  2600
Patagonian Rosewood  2800
Bloodwood  2900
Brazilian Rosewood (Tamarindo)  3000
Brazilian Redwood  3190
Tiete Rosewood  3280
Cumaru (Brazilian Teak)  3540
Southern Chestnut, Tiete Chestnut  3540
Lapacho (usually grouped with IPE Wood)
Ipe Lumber  3640
Bolivian Cherry  3650
African Pearwood/Moabi  3680
Brazilian Walnut / Ipe
Ipe Decking 3680
Brazilian Ebony  3692
Patagonian Rosewood  3840
Brazilian Tiger Mahogany  3840
Curupy
 3880

 

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: Facts about Teak Decking

« on: February 22, 2011, 04:05:43 PM »

Someone at sometime, put like a stiff fencing in place of the decking. It is fine to walk on, but want to put the wood back up and also the handrails and lines so we can let people, with supervision, walk up there. The problem is there is only about 6 " of decking to stand on while walking around the sail and one side has a rotted away handrail of which wei'll have to fix. This wil be a good project for our Stratcom guys. I'll bring up an extra radial arm saw and have a cheap source for carbide blades and bits. So should be fun to do. It's supposed to be nice weather tomorrow, so will get some measuring done. 
Should maybe post this in a separate post, but am going to talk to the paint store the city uses to find out whether a smaller airless or a good sized HVLP system would work the best to try and paint as much as possible of the walls, wires, and pipes on the insides. I have used HVLP, but am leaning toward using an airless to get better control of the pattern. HVLP, when using a pressurized system can be tricky to keep it going on uniformly.
Viejo

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: USS Marlin online benefit auction

« on: February 22, 2011, 03:46:26 PM »

Want to also mention that some want to donate instead of bid and that is great.  A check written to Marlin Resoratoin Fund or if you need tax decutible type donation, to "Omaha Parks Foundation"  would work fine.  The check could be sent to Jon or  to me.
Thanks,
Viejo

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: Facts about Teak Decking

« on: February 22, 2011, 03:44:39 PM »

Mark, one place I found for the IPE listed a 2 x 12 as 17 dollars a lineal foot, but if I fudged a little and got six pieces out of that, it would make it less than Three dollars a lineal foot. That would be less than $5000 if I am looking at the deck in the right way.  In looking at the pictures of the decking on the Marlin, looks to me like around 200 sq ft. This boat is pretty small compared to a normal sub. Don't think we have 30 feet in length for the wood decking and the biggest part  is only about six feet wide. Now they said on one site I read, not to paint or stain the IPE for several years/months. Have to go look it up again. think one guy said he didn't plan on painting at all. But wonder if it would be good to paint or do something on the underside. I'll do a lot of reading on whatever we get. I know American Walnut takes 5 years before you are even supposed to work with it.
I'll read up on the Purple Heart Wood also.  I have used that Ironwood for a wood project, but don't remember if it is used for decking. It was very hard to work with.
Thanks for your info also.
Viejo

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: Facts about Teak Decking

« on: February 22, 2011, 02:08:42 PM »

thanks for the info. That is like walnut and as you said is very hard. Trying to figure costs differences, but some sources seem to indicate it is cheaper than teak.  Can you tell me the sizes of the decking you are putting down? I was surprised to find out that some is 1 1/2 inches thick.
Thanks,Viejo

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Re: Facts about Teak Decking

« on: February 21, 2011, 04:57:32 PM »

Thanks, that will give me something to go by. I'll measure the spacing and the center to center to the fastners, but I'll bet the Marlin uses the same size. I had no idea they used 6/4 lumber for thickness.
Viejo

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Museum Submarine Discussion / Facts about Teak Decking

« on: February 21, 2011, 12:30:35 AM »

Thought I posted this, but can't find it, so if I did, sorry about that.
We want to put back the teak decking on the Marlin, but don't have any to see what the size of each piece is. I was wondering if most subs used the same width and thickness for their decking? I'll include a picture showing the Marlin with decking on it. Looks to me like maybe around 2 and 1/4" wide and maybe 3/4 or 7/8" thick. We do have access to a planer if needed.

Thanks,
Viejo