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General Boards => Museum Submarine Discussion => Topic started by: Mark Sarsfield on February 27, 2008, 11:28:59 AM
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Snakeyez,
Here's the full list of WWII sub museums in the U.S. with contact info, including the U-505, in case you don't have it:
USS BATFISH (SS-310)
BALAO CLASS
Muskogee War Memorial Park
P.O. Box 253 (Corrected)
Muskogee, OK 74402
http://www.ussbatfish.com
USS BECUNA (SS-319)
BALAO CLASS
Independence Seaport Museum
211 S. Columbus Blvd (Corrected)
Philadelphia, PA 19106
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7612/becuna.html
USS BOWFIN (SS-287)
BALAO CLASS
USS Bowfin Submarine Museum & Park
11 Arizona Memorial Drive
Honolulu, HI 96818
http://www.bowfin.org/website/index.cfm
USS CAVALLA (SS-244)
GATO CLASS
Seawolf Park
Pelican Island
P.O. Box 3306
Galveston, TX 77550
http://www.cavalla.org/
USS CLAMAGORE (SS-343)
BALAO CLASS
Patriots Point Naval & Maritime Museum
40 Patriots Point Road
Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464
http://www.patriotspoint.org/exhibits/fleet/clamagore.html
USS COBIA (SS-245)
GATO CLASS
Wisconsin Maritime Museum
75 Maritime Drive
Manitowoc, WI 54220
http://www.wisconsinmaritime.org/
USS COD (SS-224)
GATO CLASS
USS COD Submarine Memorial (Corrected)
c/o: Dr. John Fakan (Added)
661 Lee Ct. (Corrected)
Vermilion, Ohio 44089 (Corrected)
http://www.usscod.org/
USS CROAKER (SSK-246)
GATO CLASS
Buffalo & Erie County Naval & Military Park
1 Naval Park Cove
Buffalo, NY 14202
http://www.ussvibuffalo.org/uss_croaker.html
USS DRUM (SS-228)
GATO CLASS
USS Alabama Battleship Commission
2703 Battleship Parkway, Box 65
Mobile, AL 36601
http://www.ussalabama.com/html/drum/index.php
USS LING (SS-297)
BALAO CLASS
Submarine Memorial Association
78 River St. (Added)
P.O. Box 395
Hackensack, NJ 07602
http://www.njnm.com/exhibits.html#
USS LIONFISH (SS-298)
BALAO CLASS
Battleship Cove
5 Water St. (Added)
Fall River, MA 02721
http://www.battleshipcove.org/ss298-history.htm
USS PAMPANITO (SS-383)
BALAO CLASS
National Maritime Museum Association
Pier 45, P.O. Box 470310 (Changed)
San Francisco, CA 94147-0310
http://www.maritime.org/pamphome.htm
USS RAZORBACK (SS-394)
BALAO CLASS
Arkansas Inland Maritime Museum
100 Riverfront Rd. (Added)
P.O. Box 5757
North Little Rock, AR 72119
http://www.aimm.museum/index.htm
USS REQUIN (SS-481)
TENCH CLASS
The Carnegie Science Center
1 Allegheny Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15212-5363
http://www.carnegiesciencecenter.org/default.aspx?pageId=38
USS SILVERSIDES (SS-236)
GATO CLASS
USS Silversides Naval & Maritime Museum
1346 Bluff St. (Added)
P.O. Box1692
Muskegon, MI 49443
http://www.glnmm.org/
USS TORSK (SS-423)
TENCH CLASS
Baltimore Maritime Museum
802 S. Caroline Street
Baltimore, MD 21231
http://www.usstorsk.org/index.htm
U-505
TYP IX UNTERSEEBOOT
Museum of Science and Industry
57th Street and Lake Shore Drive
Chicago, IL 60637
http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/U505/index.html
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Well, I started out checking the addresses from this site:
http://www.valoratsea.com/museum.htm
and many addresses and phone numbers were no longer correct. It's amazing how many official museum sites don't even list such basic information!
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I remember verifying this info when I put the list together a few months ago. It just lacks phone numbers.
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TYVM!
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You list the Batfish:
P.O. Box 735
and the website states:
P.O. Box 235
Do you know which is correct?
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I'll ask Rick. One is a typo.
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One of the things I have learned to do because of doing maps and putting up the sub memorials map on the USSVI web page at http://www.ussvi.org is to run all addresses through the zip code checker. That at least eliminates the bad ones. Also some of the boats have more than one address that works. Many use a POB but also several have street addresses for where the boat itself is and they also work. We send magazines to the museum boats so have to keep our addresses correct. Sometimes the simplest thing is to call the phone number and ask. Oh yes, as you guys with the boats come on board here, please check the USSVI site and let us know if we have anything listed or shown there that you would like corrected. Perhaps you might have a better picture or want something stated. I have already had a couple of people email me to make thier site better.
Thanks
Bill
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Okay, Bill. I'm waiting to hear from Rick about the right PO Box for the Batfish. I like the picture that you guys used for her on the USSVI Memorial page.
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Mark, the address I have to send magazines to the Batfish is P. O. Box 253, Muskogee, OK 74402-0253 Phone number is 918-682-6294 and the email for the museum is listed as ussbatfish@abcglobal.net We get charged extra when the magazines come back, so am sure that is a good if not the only address. I agree about the fact that the different boats make it hard to find where they are. Same way with Navy commands. Sometimes, I pull them up on a google map to find where they are located. Even the Cavalla was hard to pin down for an actual address to make the maps work. On our sub memorial maps, I am going through and checking to make sure the map that comes up, actually shows where the boat is located. The reason for the problems sometimes is that the organization will have an office somewhere that is blocks or miles away from the boat and what I put in for an address is where the map goes to. So on the memorials map, sometimes the address shown there is not the offical mailing one. However the mail list I have for the American Submariner Magazine does get the magazines delivered, so if you need an address to mail things to any of the boats, let me know and I'll get that out to whomever might want it.
Bill
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Mark, the address I have to send magazines to the Batfish is P. O. Box 253
253 or 235?
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Mark,P. O. Box 253 is the address we have in our computerized mailing list. The zip shows 0253 as the last four digits also. There maybe other addresses such as the 3500 Bat Fish Road one that the mail can be delivered to, but the one above shows up on the zip code map. The Bat Fish Address comes up on a google map, but is clear over on the other side of town and the zip code map says it isn't valid. I have found that some of these addresses that won't work with the zip code map can still have mail delivered to them, but to be safe, just use the P. O. Box. I imagine the Batfish Road is the little entrance road going into the park, but has not been added yet to the post office system. We know when we send out magzines if the address is wrong, because we get charged for the wrong addresses, so am sure that the POB one will work. I also am correcting the map on the USSVI pages so that the actual location will show up. I won't go into all the details of what that takes and why you can't put the marker right on the museum, but if you are interested I'll do so in an email. It gets long and complicatd to find out what works and doesn't work and why on some of these addresses with the google map system. I will be doing this with each of the museum boat maps, but for now I do have good mailing addresses to each of them. I'll try and get the time to go verify all of these that Lance has up and let him know if some need to be changed.
Bill
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Okay. I have updated some of the list, as well.
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Thank you guys!
Trying to sort through the addresses and phone numbers is a nightmare. The subs haven't moved in 30 years, but nearly every one of them has varying addresses due to the changes around them.
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There maybe other addresses such as the 3500 Bat Fish Road one that the mail can be delivered to, but the one above shows up on the zip code map.
Many of the sub parks list a physical (3500 Batfish Road) and a mailing address (P.O. Box 253). I hate listing only the P.O. Box as that does nothing to help someone find the park/museum.
...but for now I do have good mailing addresses to each of them. I'll try and get the time to go verify all of these that Lance has up and let him know if some need to be changed.
Bill
That would be wonderful as that may be the only way to verify these addresses. You can search the 'net and find something a little different with nearly every single one of them. So many typos or un-updated sites!
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Lance, I agree on having a street address and on the sub memorials map if there is one that is correct but won't work with the map, I put it in the comments. The problem with the Bat Fish Road address is that I can find no indication that the city has that on their maps. It isn't shown on the map even when zooming in. You can get directions to the park by using the War Memorial Park, Muskogee, OK 74402 but even on the directions, it says unknown road. However the map itself shows the correct spot and will allow someone to get exact directions to it. This happens a lot for some of these places as the people who run the boat have an office and there is no mailing address to the site itself. Take a look at the sub memorials map for the Batfish and you'll see what I mean. I do put in the street address anytime it will work. There just isn't any uniformity on these things.
Bill
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Agreed!
I'll see if I can get down to the bone of it from someone with the Batfish.
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Here is the info stright off of Rick Dennis's card (park manager at the Batfish):
3500 Batfish drive
P.O. Box: 253
Muskogee Oklahoma 74402
email: ussbatfish@sbcglobal.net
The P.O. Box is because they do not have a mailbox on their road.
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Thank you!
Hopefully sometime tomorrow I'll be able to sit down and compare addresses again.
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Travis and Lance, that is because the post office does not recognise offically that that Bat Fish Drive is a real road. There are numerous agreements between a county, the postal system, and the fire department before addresses on a road can be designated. I did an apartment complex once that had to have all the addresses renamed because of the fire department wanting it named in a different sequence. The post office went along and we spent a lot of money renaming it. This goes back to if you ask the local post office where you live about an address what they tell you and what you may get delivered somewhere are two different things. It is fine to put the Bat Fish Road address on there, but if someone brings up a map, it will say that the road leading into the property is unknown as far as a name. Neither google or Mapquest will show you the park by using Bat Fish Drive or Road. Also Google and the zip code people list it as
I have called people on the phone and they have given me addresses that I can send a magazine to and it gets there. But the post office in their lists, don't show them. Not trying to argue, just pointing out some of the things I have found in researching for maps, magazines, and other reasons. Putting that address in map quest gets a reference to it that is 5 miles a way. Google will only show the site if you list it as War Memorial Park. neither of the two streets that run together where the entrance road is, have postal addresses for the last half mile or so listed. You can get a correct set of directions right to the boat from Google, but the last thing it tells you to do is turn onto an unnamed road.
The reason I am trying to make a point about this is not to argue, but because with our sub memorials map, we have over 12,000 members who can look at it and use the map feature with it's directions to show how to get to that boat when the are on vacation. So it has to work to show the right spot to get them to where they might possibly see some sign that will say Bat Fish Road. By the time they use the map to get that close, they are in sight of the buiding and boat anyway. Try going to the Batfish on the sub memorials map and use the map at the side of the page that comes up and you'll maybe see what I am getting at. I have nothing against what anyone wants to put down for an address, just that it doesn't always work with the post office or with the map systems.
Here is what the zip code directory shows for the Bat Fish Road address and I got the same message when I put in the street address and the POB.
Find a ZIP Code by entering an address.
(You can also search for a partial address, such as "Main Street, Fairfax, VA.")
We're sorry! We were unable to process your request.
The address was not found. Please check the address below.
You may want to utilize the Yellow Pages and/or White Pages below.
* Required Fields
* Address 1 3500 Bat Fish Drive
Address 2
Apt, floor, suite, etc.
* City Muskogee
* State OK Find state abbreviation
ZIP Code
Here is what it shows when you put in the P. O. BOX
Full Address in Standard Format
PO BOX 253
MUSKOGEE OK 74402-0253
Bill
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Ok, here's some differences. Let's see if we can figure them out!
USS Becuna
I copied their address from their website:
http://www.phillyseaport.org/Contact.shtml
I hope their zip code is really 19106 as they state there.
USS Ling
http://www.njnm.com/
Everything on their website states their zip code as being 07601 and having no P.O. Box. They repeatedly ask for all mail to be sent to:
78 RIVER STREET HACKENSACK, NJ 07601
USS Requin
I copied their address straight from their website:
http://www.carnegiesciencecenter.org/contact_us.aspx?pageId=3
It states their zip code as being 15212-5850
USS Silversides
What a mystery! Apparently the park it's in is now called "Great Lakes Naval Memorial and Museum"
Their webpage:
http://www.glnmm.org/About%20Us.htm
lists no P.O. Box, only a physical address. So I wonder if they don't have a P.O. Box any longer?
USS Razorback
These folks were kind enough to supply all their information on a single page, just like any sane folks would do.
http://www.aimm.museum/contact.htm
Note they list 2 separate addresses, a physical and a mailing.
USS Pampanito
I'm at a loss of what their true address is. I've found at least 3 different addresses and none of them match.
http://www.maritime.org/hours.htm
Help!
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Once you and Bill figure this out, I'll modify the original list to reflect the new data.
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ok, the first one (the Becuna) will give you a good zip code, if you use 211 S. Columbus Blvd, Philadelphia, PA 19106-3101 The post office doesn't use cross streets. If you want your map to show exactly where to pull off into the parking across from Delancy St, which is right where you pull in to walk about 50 feet to go onboard, Then use 361 S. Columbus and the marker will end up right where you pull into the parking lot. The boat is directly east of there. I am sure the 211 address is once again where the mail needs to go, but is not where the boat is. On the USSVI memorial map, I'll put the 361 address in to locate the marker on the map, but in the notes on the boat, will put in directions to get there and also list the correct mailing address.
I'm taking my aunt to the doctor, but will do more of these this afternoon if you would like. What makes it easiest to get the good mailing address is to drag the icon for the zip code look up to your desktop and put in the address until you get a good 9 digit zipcode, then use google earth to actually locate excatly where the boats are and the streets and businesses around to zero in on it. Think Fuzzy sent you views of all of them. But don't think you can manipulate those views. So I just put a starting address in Google Earth; locate the boat on GE, then bring up google maps and change the address around until it lines up. Oh, just read all your note. I have the Pampanito figured out also. Also have done the Cod the same way to get it lined up to work. Will get all these posted early this afternoon.
Bill
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Heh, I redid the Google map on the main page using GPS coordinates. I also swapped the map to be defaulted to satellite imagery. The marker pins are all set 100% positively on top of each submarine now.
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Lance, shoot me an email when you have the time to tell me how you did that. I want to do it for the sub memorials map as it would save hours of locating not just these boats, but the other 140 memorials we have on there. Thanks,
Bill
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MAGIC! :)
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Speaking of memorials, the Muskogee War Memorial has dedicated plaques for each of the 52 submarines lost during WWII and a brief description of their fate. They did a very nice job with them. I'll take a picture of one when I am down there next time.
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You got to remember you are working with a comptuer dummy, that can barely type and is still trying to have the time to learn how to do html. I do everything the hard way cause I have too many projects going to sit down and learn the easy way, so rely on the smart ones to show me how.
Bill
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You got to remember you are working with a comptuer dummy, that can barely type and is still trying to have the time to learn how to do html. I do everything the hard way cause I have too many projects going to sit down and learn the easy way, so rely on the smart ones to show me how.
Bill
I know Bill. :) I'm 30 and I've been sitting in front of a computer since I was in 3rd grade.
The BEST place on the net to get HTML advice is http://www.w3schools.com/ by the way. I'll email you this afternoon when I can bud.
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Speaking of memorials, the Muskogee War Memorial has dedicated plaques for each of the 52 submarines lost during WWII and a brief description of their fate. They did a very nice job with them. I'll take a picture of one when I am down there next time.
Which lost sub is Oklahoma assigned?
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That I don't know.
Speaking of Oklahoma, they're working on raising money for the USS Oklahoma BB Memorial. I forget where it's proposed location will be.
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Mark, let me give you the url for our sub memorials map as we list all the lost boats even when the state doesn't have a memorial for them yet. It is http://www.ussvi.org/Memorials.asp If the map doesn't come up when you go there (depends on whether you use IE or firefox), just click on the button sub memorials, then click on Oklahoma and it should show you the Shark SS-174. There is no memorial yet for that boat.
Bill
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That I don't know.
Speaking of Oklahoma, they're working on raising money for the USS Oklahoma BB Memorial. I forget where it's proposed location will be.
The state of Oklahoma was assigned the USS Shark I, SS-174. I'll find that link that tells what states have what sub(s). Since there were 52 subs lost, 2 states were assigned 2 subs. I know California has 2, and I think the other is New York maybe?
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go to the USSVI sub memorials page, click on legacy pages, bring up Oklahoma, then at the top go to the list of lost subs. Has them listed for all states.
Bill
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Ahh yes, here it is:
http://ussvi.net/mem/statebo.htm
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That's good to know. The 52 memorials in Muskogee aren't huge plaques, but it's nice that they did all 52 of them.
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I noticed that on the USSVI page for the U.S.S. Shark they say that Oklahoma does not have a memorial for her yet, but they do at the Batfish. Is there anyway to geth them to change that info? Because it needs to be known that the Shark was not forgotten.
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I think I remember seeing a Mk 14 torpedo on a pedastal, but it might only be for display purposes, as opposed to a Shark memorial. Rick would know better than me. Still, we have all bases covered with the setup that we have.
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The Shark Memorial SS 174 is at the Batfish Museum. My wife and I are currently restoring it. Please visit this page:
http://www.ussbatfish.com/wm-park.html
Bottom left photo is the memorial display.
Mark Allen
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Mark, thanks. I had found a very small picture of just the stone and didn't realize it was under the torpedo. I'll get the picture changed out and up on the Shark page on the sub memorials part of USSVI. Glad to see it. If you have any info about when the dedication service was and what group did it, I'd like to put that up also. Appreciate the help.
Bill
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Bill - I just replied on another thread. I'll try to find that out. I'll also get you a better photo next weekend. There was more text there, but I can't remember what it said. You'll have it next weekend...promise
Mark
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Here's a link from the Muskogee Daily Phoenix on our last work day (yesterday):
http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/local/local_story_061233245.html
The photo is of yours truly working on the Shark Memorial
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Mark, I started out with a Drum file, then made a Museum Boats file. I can see I will need to have a different file for all the boats. One of the things I suggested to Tom Bowser of the Drum was what we used to do at the hospital I worked at as a paramedic. We clipped and saved all newspaper clippings like this and also made copies of all pictures taken and put down everyone's name, then put them under the clear covers in a big three wing book. Then we left it out where people stopping by could look at it. We also could use it as reference when writing for grants and other money. I think if they don't already that every boat should be doing this. If we ever get a USSVI library where we have some control over it, I will hope that someone will start wanting copies of all this stuff for the library. I was sad to not see any sub vets mentioned. I would have hoped some of the guys from the Batfish Base would have been there. Maybe they just weren't listed. It did say they had 50-60 people there. Anyway, glad you guys got some publicity. Thanks for all the work you are doing on it. It is nice your wife wants to help.
Bill
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It did not list any specific vets, but it did say they were there (but had a typo when saying it)
"Other volunteers included the Oklahoma Subdets, the honor guard of American Legion Post 15 and members of American Legion Post 241. Also in attendance were 13 members of the Muskogee High School ROTC." this is a quote from the article.
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Sorry, I read that but thought it was some type of womens group. LOL Great, I figured they would be there, but wasn't sure. Sometimes things don't work out. Some of the groups reguarly post for help on Martini's BBS when things like this come up, but hadn't notice any from the Batfish doing that, so wasn't aware of what was going on. I am sure many of them look forward to working on the boat. Thanks for leting me know what a subdets group is. I'll have to raze them about that.
Bill
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Yea it is pretty sad when a towns newspaper has a typo like that.
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While I will admit that the study of and assimilation of English by students today is not of the same depth that it was when I was in school; as an example, my wife went back to college to get a degree about 10 years ago, her sophomore year college English book was a simplified version ( same layout, name, so forth, just left out things like how to use the word whom correctly) of my freshman High School English Book; however, the including of typos in newspapers is not a recent phenomenon. When I was a senior in High School, one day a week in English class, we took the Kansas City Star and had to point out all the spelling and grammatical errors in an article. I have noticed that many writers today, don't seem to understand that every sentence is supposed to have a subject and verb, but typos have been around for since people learned to spell. I thought the one that was in that article was funny. Really thought it referred to some women's group.
Viejo
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Bill - I just replied on another thread. I'll try to find that out. I'll also get you a better photo next weekend. There was more text there, but I can't remember what it said. You'll have it next weekend...promise
Bill - a day late but I just emailed you two photos of the Shark Memorial. One of the overall front view and one is a close up of the granite stone with map and names. I have others, just let me know if you need them.
Attached is a side view of the memorial. Lance - notice anything different? We painted both bases and removed 7 bushes on the east side to increase visibility. On the 22nd, we are giving the torpedo a face lift. New pics here when it's done.
Mark
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Mark, please send the others and I'll put up what ever comes out the best when they get reduced down to what the map takes. Sometimes the best looking ones when they are full sized don't reduce down as well as others. I am going out to the cemetery this week and shoot a bunch of the same stone and write down what lens at what distance and what focal length to see what works the best. I have five lenses, so should be able to tell some things.
Thanks for doing all this.
Bill
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Mark, I went out this afternoon and took some pictures of a headstone to see what differences there are with lens, distance, so forth. I used a 27-105, 50-150, and a 200-300( these are digital equivalents, in the lenses themselves are marked as 17-70, 35-105, and 100-200. Took them back and put on the computer and it seems like that around the 100-200 digital length in all the lenses seemed a little better. I also noticed that with the 17-70 lens( 27-107 digital) the color seemed a little more bright. I also could see the difference in getting down level or shooting up a little as opposed to shooting down at the stone. So don't know if that will help when people take pictures of the monuments. It was blowing rather hard, so am going back out later and experiment in shooting in manual mode so I can over and underexpose some shots to see how that works out. I guess I probably have automatic bracketing on my camera, but have never tried it yet. I use a Sony A-100 and have a couple of old Minolta AF lenses that work with it, plus the 17-70 that came with it.
Bill
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The addresses listed by each submarine board should now be proper. They are all mailing addresses, I got rid of the physical addresses. Also, I added in a few websites.
Anything wrong, let me know.
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Bill - sorry for the delay, been out of town (work related). I'll get the other photos sent via email tomorrow evening (Monday). I'll take some additional ones of the memorial after the paint job on the torpedo and I'll try that "looking up" method and take some more of the granite memorial.
Also - are there any request for more photos (from anyone) regarding the Batfish? I'll be down there again this upcoming Friday or Saturday and can get specifics if you need them.
Let me know before Friday.
Mark
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Mark, never any rush with me. What Ron and I are trying to put up on the SOS pages are pictures of a boat before and after it has something worked on. So Any pictures you have of the Batfish would be nice. Especially if you haven't worked on something yet, but will be doing so or if you have old and new pictures of what it looked like before and after something was fixed, installed, or even painted. When people see things like this, then they figure the money they donate is going to something. I'll be glad for any pictures you send along. I am going to try and do some more experimenting with shooting and see what happens. I am going to try taking some pictures with the camera set to make smaller ones to start with to see what effect that has on how it looks once I get it reduced on the web pages.
Thanks for all you guys are doing down there.
Bill
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Mark,
I was down there this past Saturday and I brought my camera, but the weather was lousy and Rick and I got busy with other projects.
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In my chatch up I just skimmed through the these posts so I will shot gun this one and hope I get everything. Ignor what you do not need to know. I have a complet list of which state sponsors which boat. NY and CA each sponsor 2 OK sponsors the Shark I SS 174. Let me know if you need the list.
Our address is as follows.
Muskogee War Memorial
PO Box 253
Muskogee OK 74402
Our physical Address is:
3500 Batfish DR
Our Tele:
918-682-6294
E-mail
ussbatfish@sbcgolobal.net
Web
www.ussbatfish.com
Google and Mapquest and Rand Mcnally seems to have a big problem finding address here im Muskogee. I am not sure why, but they always seems to get you to the opisite side of town you are supposed to be on. This is not unique to the Batfish. I think it is a redneck Okie thing. Not sure.
I hope this helps out Let me know if you need anything else.
Rick