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General Boards => Museum Submarine Discussion => Topic started by: Lance Dean on February 27, 2008, 03:45:18 PM
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I've made posts about this website on subsim.com, the bottomgun bbs, messdeck.com, and the Ubisoft SH4 forum.
Today I've collected some email addresses of the various sub museums and soon I'll be emailing them with a request to check this place out.
I just wanted to let you know, and I thank you for helping out!
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Lance, I hope as these guys get the word, that they will reply and then we can find out their aims and needs and who to talk to about the different aspects of their boat. This site will be a great help if all use it. I'll put out some more info about it on LIB's BBS and on our web page also. Thanks to you for all you are doing.
Bill
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Hey Lance, I let the park manager at the Batfish know about this website also, as I am a volunteer there. Im shoot-kill-win on subsim.com
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Thank you!
I sent out emails to someone with all 21 boats listed on the front page here. Many bounced back, including the USS Marlin and USS Torsk email addresses. The USS Marlin is darn hard to find anything out about.
Anyway, I hope to get some responses from those emails that did go through.
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Let AVGWarhawk on subsim know about the Torsk email. I dont know anything about the Marlin.
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The Marlin is having hard times right now. There is a lot of politics involved because some of the downtown Omaha developers want to have it moved so they can use the land and others don't want to pay to move it. Also most of their volunteers were people who are now in Iraq. The last time I went up there, the guy just handed me the keys and said to bring them back when I was done looking. I have been trying to work with the base close by to see if we can get anything going on it. The street address should be good. I'll see if anyone in the Nebraska base close by has a good email address for one of the people there. They aren't even there most of the time to answer the phone. Gil Bohannon is the guy to talk to about the Torsk. This should be a good email for him. He is also a LIB member. gbohannon@usstorsk.org
Bill
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Due to base closures the Cleveland NRTC is gone... and with it our mail box. Please address all USS COD mail to our president: Dr. John Fakan, USS COD Submarine Memorial, 661 Lee Ct., Vermilion, Ohio 44089
If you want to find the sub and do not use Google Earth (why not???), you can find it on North Marginal Rd., between Burke Lakefront Airport and East 9th St., in downtown Cleveland, 1,000 feet east of the Rock Hall of Fame.
All other COD info is accurate: phone 216-566-8770 and www.usscod.org
as curator, my contact info is pfarace@att.net or cell: 216-408-6991
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Due to base closures the Cleveland NRTC is gone... and with it our mail box. Please address all USS COD mail to our president: Dr. John Fakan, USS COD Submarine Memorial, 661 Lee Ct., Vermilion, Ohio 44089
If you want to find the sub and do not use Google Earth (why not???), you can find it on North Marginal Rd., between Burke Lakefront Airport and East 9th St., in downtown Cleveland, 1,000 feet east of the Rock Hall of Fame.
All other COD info is accurate: phone 216-566-8770 and www.usscod.org
as curator, my contact info is pfarace@att.net or cell: 216-408-6991
Paul,
I was really hoping you'd show up! Please hang around here and feel free to take over the USS Cod board here. :) Thank you so much for giving me updated contact information, I'll fix it up right now!
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Oh, and Paul, does the Cod have a physical address (911 address)? I'd like to be able to add that in.
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For any of you that need to do bulk mailing and so have to use all nine digits of the zip code,the address Paul gave for Dr. John has a zip code of
44089-2505
bill
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For any of you that need to do bulk mailing and so have to use all nine digits of the zip code,the address Paul gave for Dr. John has a zip code of
44089-2505
bill
And thanks for getting me that info, I still haven't finished getting it all up yet.
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The link will be added to the BATFISH site sometime this next week.
Mark
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Mark, I'll get a link up for the Batfish this evening, before I forget it. Thanks for doing this. If any of you need the LIB Logo, let me know.
Thanks,
Bill
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Well, the website has been live for a week. Thank you all for registering and posting. Tell your friends. If there is someone who should be here that isn't, let them know about it. Or feel free to give me email addresses to send an invitation to.
Everything has been verified by Google and we should be appearing on their searches soon.
Keep on promoting! Spread the word!
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Lance, this website has accomplished so much in such a little amount of time. It is amazing what the interweb can do! lol.
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Yeah well, I don't want the momentum to slow down! No rest for the wicked!
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Hey Lance you may want to let the Chester W. Nimitz memorial site know about this one, as Nimitz was a submariner, and they are called the "The National Museum Of The Pacific War"
http://www.nimitz-museum.org/mission_history.htm (http://www.nimitz-museum.org/mission_history.htm)
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OK, you got the Cavalla involved. I don't know how much time I can devote to the ste, but I will try to check in at least every other day or so.
For those of you that visit some of the other BBS sites, Gil Raynor posted some pictures for me that are of the Carp conning tower. I know, it was an error. They are not of the Cavalla conn. But the point is, I am missing some parts and pieces and I am not completely sure what goes in the missing slots. Anyone out there know what I should be looking for to complete the Carp conning tower and have it on display in the very near future?
Incidentally, e-mail is a better way to reach me........macm@airmail.net
Ooops, gotta go, they just called for the weapons loading party, we are loading our MK 45 this morning, you should be able to watch part of it on our web cam:) www.cavalla.org or www.cavalla244.org Two cameras, a park cam and a cam in the fwd torpedo room.
Thanks SHipmates and friends
John McMichael MMCM(SS) USN Ret.
Curator
Cavalla/Stewart
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Still looking for more people that aren't here yet! If you know of them, let them know or tell me how to contact them!
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Did you let the nimitz museum know? If not the link is in my previous post on the top of this page.
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Gino on the SubSim forum has some experience working on the Cod. I asked him if he might want to represent the boat here on the forum, since I noticed that their forum is empty.
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Paul Farace, the Cod's curator, has checked in here recently. Where Cod is concerned, getting it from him is better than getting it from the proverbial horse's mouth.
Also, if you want to visit a fleet boat that has been restored to drop-dead authenticity on a shoestring, Cod is a must-see.
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Lance:
I want you to know about SVARA (Submarine Veterans Amateur Radio Assoc). First and foremost the name is very mislesding. SVARA has about 300 or so members Not all are Sub Vets or amateur radio operators. Membership is open to all veterans as well as non military folks ie: shipyard workers, aircraft workers, and many other civilian related jobs. The ages range from teens to over 90. We even had a English Spitfire pilot from WWII, Pilots who were rescued by submarines, B-17 Tailgunners, Vets from Normandy and Battle of the Bulge. The membership however was and is predominately Submarine Veterans from WWII and the Copld War. Safe to say almost all the Museum submarines have active members. In fact almost all the other Museum Ships have active members.
There are two sides to this group. First they conduct live on the air meetings daily and do what most of us do by way of Internet Forum Groups. That has some good points as well as some bad . For some time we used to read deck logs look for parts for the subs etc. Annualy they participate in the "Museum Ships Weekend On The Air Special Event". I think there are about 70 plus many Foreign museums, although not all do participate in the event.
Last they are very active in a site "Yahoo Groups SVARA". It is similar in nature to this site but not as comprehensive. One can post messages store Photos and the like. Most members elect to receive all new posts. Also membership Info isthere also, and yes it's free. Now the reason for me telling you all this is I will post a message there advising them of this site, and see what happens.
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I know we have a couple of those guys at the Batfish. I met one of them (a subvet) at the local subvet meeting tonight and he knows the guys at the Bafish, so it will be a great help.
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Every year at the USSVI convention a group of hams who are USSVI members meet. Doing something with the museum boats might be a good project for them. I believe they had some kind of activity at North Little Rock during the 2007 convention. Not sure if it was on the Razorback or not.
Bill
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Paul Farace, the Cod's curator, has checked in here recently. Where Cod is concerned, getting it from him is better than getting it from the proverbial horse's mouth.
Roger that. I'll have to check out the Cod some time.
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[quotIf you want to find the sub and do not use Google Earth (why not???), you can find it on North Marginal Rd., between Burke Lakefront Airport and East 9th St., in downtown Cleveland, 1,000 feet east of the Rock Hall of Fame.
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On the Sub Memorials Map on the USSVI web pages http://www.ussvi.org/home.asp , when you go to Ohio and bring up the Cod, the google map has the marker right at the end of the gangplank. Use the satellite view to see what it looks like. I have most of the museum boats located that way and am working my way around the country to site the monuments and memorial stones the same way.
Viejo
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I think I know why many of the museums have not checked in.The curator or people running the museum have no background or much knowledge if any on the boats.There is one museum that has a former air force Col. in charge.Air Force running a naval museum what next??????????
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Well, being a non-submariner does not mean that the person can't become knowledgeable about the sub. One of the guys on the board of the Silversides knows a lot about it and he is a doctor. At the moment I can't even rememer if Paul from the Cod is a submariner or not. Doesn't matter to me. He certainly has qualified on that boat and is the main reason it is in the great shape it is. I am sure the same is true of several of the people on any of the Museum boats. The Batfish, the Drum, the Torsk all have people who are civilians yet have kept the boat up to standards and made it something we can all be proud of. We just have to find a way to get to know these people and get their trust enough that they will let us help them. We want to keep and improve all our museum boats no matter who owns or runs them. One of the problems that has occurred with some boats is the fact that they are owned by companies that are mostly civilian and some of the subvets haven't had the best of attitudes when going around those who are responsible for the boat. This is a long term project and if done right could bring all the museum boats up to high standards, but we have to want to help, not dictate what we think things should be like. We all had to learn about our boats and their were people that were willing to help us. And if we run into some that don't care, then we just have to learn how to work around that. Getting the boat in the best shape to be seen and enjoyed by the public is much more important than proving some point. I am not talking about anyone or any boat in particular, just what works in general. ;)
Viejo
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I think I know why many of the museums have not checked in.The curator or people running the museum have no background or much knowledge if any on the boats.There is one museum that has a former air force Col. in charge.Air Force running a naval museum what next??????????
I see that chris has deleted himself for whatever reason. I didn't do it.
I hope this comment was not directed towards Rick at the Batfish.
In my honest opinion, I don't care if a museum had a former used car salesman as their director as long as they care about what they're doing. By all means how could someone bitch about a job they aren't volunteering to do themselves anyway?
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Rick was enlisted A.F. He's the best manager that a park could have and he showed up at the right time before it was too late.
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Well that is called human nature or in some cases, it is just the one's who will never do anything being jealous of those who go out and accomplish something. Read Ayn Rand.
Viejo
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I see that chris has deleted himself for whatever reason. I didn't do it. I hope this comment was not directed towards Rick at the Batfish.
Me too. I have no military experience either but have been volunteering and doing the website for over 10 years. Maybe I'm not qualified either. :D
However, I don't care what others think...I love the Batfish...and will continue to come out and restore her. And if we will work in weather we had today...well, then it has to be love of the boat :smitten:
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Hey guys, any of you guys who work on our boats on a regular basis know far more about them than I do. You are qualified in the best sense of the word. I went up to the Marlin the other day and started looking at things and realize how much work I will have to put into just knowing what is what and what it does. I qualifiied on the Snook and when I went to the Scorpion which was almost exactly the same, I still spent several months requalifying. What your past or present job is doesn't matter. You guys work on the boats, have a love for them and in many cases know far more about them that we ever will. So you will just have to learn to ignore some of these subvets until we can educate them more, and that probably won't happen too soon. But also realize there are a lot of us out there that do know your worth and really appreciate it. In my chapter of USSVI, I have to look up to remember who is qualified and who not unless it is someone like Lance, then I know he not cause he works too hard. Same here I can't remember which of you were on boats and which not and who cares. You are there now. That is what matters.
Thanks for what you do.
Viejo :D
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Let me clairify. I am AF and seperated as an E4 (buck SGT). I do know that Rocco at the Lex was a former Col, but I do not know wheich branch. I am not sur what this has to do with taking care of a piect of history. Believe you I do not have a large resource of Submarine vets in OK to draw from. The ones that I do have show little, if no interest in helping out. I muse use the resources that I have. And I have to say, the resources that I do have are invaluable to me. I would love talking to the sub vets. It is important that They pass on what they know to us. We were not there. I am here to help out and to make this museum grow and I will do that......
there is my 2 cents....
Rick
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Rick and others who are not submarine qualified, don't ever loose the faith in your abilities to learn your boat and to be able to restore her back to what she used to look like in her specified time period. there are a number of us that are submarine qualifed that work on the diesels that have to requalify on gear that we have never seen before, the only difference between someone who has never qualified and some one that qual'd a 688 is that we wear dolphins and that at times has been a hinderance because we are having to learn completely new stuff all over and not a whole lot transfers over to a boat decommed in '68 and it is hard to figure out what that piece of equipment is/was and how it corelated on a 688. A big part of the reason why I do the school of the boat is so that ALL of us can learn about our boats and be more knowledgeable on how they work.
My .02 worth
Darrin