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General Boards => Submarine Related Chatter => School of the Boat => Topic started by: Darrin on September 23, 2008, 09:09:08 AM
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Alright folks,
we have completed the tanks portion of the boat and we have completed the air systems on the boat, NOW we need to tie those two systems together and one of the many uses of this thing called salvage air connections... To bring Hairy up to speed we are using (I hope) the fleet submarine manual that is online over at hnsa or if you have one at home that is fine also, just list what page and para you found your answer at please so that all of us can learn the boat together. I am looking for ALL of the salvage air connections starting from the fwd end of the boat and going all the way to the aft end and what does each one do (i.e. upper part of the compartment or a lower part of the compartment)
Good luck all,
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Sorry about being MIA for two weeks. Very busy at work and at home. I'll attempt to make a stab at this before the week is over.
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Take your time Mark, work and family come before school of the boat and if you miss a week or two it just gives you something else to read while catchin up with your family or a break at work (where I am right now)
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Alright folks this one is a tough one to find in the fleet submarine manual and I PROMISE it is in there, you just have to dig a LOT to find it but it is in there. It took me a little while to find it tonight and I was getting worried that it wasn't there but it is in there.
Remember folks for the divers who went down to get her in the dark murky waters they had to know how to tell what tanks and compartments and where at in the compartments it went into. So is there a way for the divers or for that matter anyone else to tell what compartment they go to???? especially someone like a diver or a volunteer who has never served on a submarine
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OK, on Watch on this chilly rock in the North Atlantic and am going to logoff and hit the books re Salvage Connections.
Later COB, Hairy.
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I see (says the blind man) that everyone is pouring through the manual looking for this answer. While this is one I didn't need to look up, I was still curious about this subject so I did some snooping via Google and found this site: NavSea http://www.everyspec.com/USN/NAVSEA/ that is loaded with information and host to many technical documents. A lot on salvage and navy diving. Some late night reading for you. Be sure to check the tab, and the acronyms on the left side are all links to more documents. Enjoy and I will sit back and wait for someone to answer this question. :knuppel2:
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OK folks,
To put this part of school of the boat into prespective and yes sadly enough this has happened...... a year and change ago a submarine (Russian K-77) SANK at the pier during a storm, while their systems were too far cut up to be able to use them it would have been nice to be able to ask the divers before it is too late to hook up AIR into these connections and start to pressurize the boat and blow water out of the tanks before it is too late.
And while some of our boats are on the ground (both in the silt and in the mud) it would be nice for EVERYONE to know how this exteremly vital system works because the older these hulls get the thinner the hulls are and eventually we will all have to be pulled out of the water or scrapped and honestly I don't want all of the hard work of hundreds of volunteers thrown away becauase we didn't learn this system..
K-77 will be going to the scrap yard because she is too far gone to save, do you really want for that to be YOUR boat??? A good friend and Shipmate of mine was the last duty officer onboard the K-77 before she sank and he has lived with the "what if's" for the last year and now he has to live with the fact of ALL of the hard work that countless volunteers put into her is all gone. He did nothing wrong in this sinking and it has taken it's toll on my friend because he has lived with the doubt and now he is building a "virtual" tour of that boat from the countless pics that he has taken and recieved from the former crewmembers of the K-77..
Personally I would rather be able to walk her decks then to look at her through a monitor, I still have the pamphlet that he gave me and I now wish that I had made time to go and see her LONG before she sank.
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1. Low External Salvage Connection to Forward Torpedo Room, Forward End
2. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 1
3. High External Salvage Connection to Forward Torpedo Room, After End
4. Low External Salvage Connection to Officer’s Quarters, Forward End
5. High External Salvage Connection to Officer’s Quarters, After End
6. Low External Salvage Connection to Control Room, Forward End
7. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 2A (Starboard)
8. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 2B (Port)
9. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 2C (Starboard)
10. High External Salvage Connection to Control Room, After End
11. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 2D (Port)
12. High External Salvage Connection to Crews Quarters, Forward End
13. Low External Salvage Connection to Crew’s Quarters, After End
14. High External Salvage Connection to Forward Machinery Compartment, Forward End
15. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 6A
16. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 6B
17. Low External Salvage Connection to Forward Machinery Compartment, After End
18. High External Salvage Connection to After Machinery Compartment, Forward End
19. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 6C
20. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 6D
21. Low External Salvage Connection to After Machinery Compartment, After End
22. High External Salvage Connection to Maneuvering Room, Forward End
23. Low External Salvage Connection to Maneuvering Room, After End
24. High External Salvage Connection to After Torpedo Room, Forward End
25. External Salvage Connection to Main Ballast Tank No. 7
26. Low External Salvage Connection to After Torpedo Room, After End
Found in Ch. 6 of NAVPERS 16164 and figure 6-1.
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Great JOB!! Here are some of the pictures of what they look like and where they are layed out on the boat
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Nice job, Darrin. You have your own forum!
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Thought that it would be a good thing to keep these in one place and not scattered out and Lance hooked me up with this place.. Gonna ask Paul to come over and see about decorating it here shortly, to ya know give it that well lived in submarine look ;)
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Do you mean he is going to put up pink curtins?
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Not on my watch Chief, I damned near had a fit when John Wynn and the rest of the sonar girls did that to our sonar shack a couple of work weekends ago
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LOL @ pink curtains.
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I'm sorry I'm late on this. 'Stuff,' cropped up and I had to take some leave to look after Rae. Please accept this. Hairball sends.
External Salvage Connection from Bow to Stern in Order.
1. Low External Salvage Connection – FTR – Fwd.
2. External Salvage Connection the MBT 1.
3. High External Salvage Connection – FTR – Aft.
4. Low External Salvage Connection – Officer's Qtrs – Fwd.
5. 10# Blow – FBT 1.
6. High External Salvage Connection – Officer’s Qtrs – Aft.
7. Low External Salvage Connection – Control Rm – Fwd.
8. 3000# HPA External Charging Connection.
9. External Salvage Connection – MBT 2A – Stbd.
10. External Salvage Connection – MBT 2B – Port.
11. External Salvage Connection – MBT 2C – Stbd.
12. External Salvage Connection – Control Rm – Aft.
13. External Salvage Connection – MBT 2D – Port.
14 High External Salvage Connection – Crew’s Quarters – Fwd.
15. Low External Salvage Connection – Crew’s Quarters – Aft.
16. High External Salvage Connection – Fwd Machinery Compartment – Fwd.
17. External Salvage Connection – MBT 6A.
18. External Salvage Connection – MBT 6B.
19. Low External Salvage Connection – Fwd Machinery Compartment – Aft.
20. High External Salvage Connection – Aft Machinery Compartment – Fwd.
21. External Salvage Connection – MBT 6C.
22. High External Salvage Connection – MBT 6D.
23. Low External Salvage Connection – Aft Machinery Compartment – Aft.
24. High External Salvage Connection – Maneuvering Room – Fwd.
25. Low External Salvage Connection – Maneuvering Room – Aft.
26. High External Salvage Connection – ATR – Fwd.
27. External Salvage Connection – MBT 7.
28. Low External Salvage Connection – ATR – Aft.
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Great job Hairy one, put my sig on your card for that one
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Here is how the different salvage air connections are marked topside for the divers/volunteers/tourista's who want to learn how to bring one of our boats back to the surface one more time, that way the surfaces = dives ;)
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Thanks COB! I found it very interesting studying the strainers, the HIGH and LOW connections and piecing it all together to get the, "Why," of it.
Shall now work on the welded Braille that divers used to identify connections in the dark.
Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of, "Captain Morgan's Black death!" Aargh me hearties! We be a fine bunch eh?
Hairy the Horrible.
PS. Why doesn't the USSVI get someone to manufacture bottles of, "Eau de Boat." so that NQP Wannabes like me can smell right? :laugh:
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I go away for a week and Hairy wants some "Eau de Boat" to smell right and expects to have rot gut rum on board! Shiver Me Timbers what's going on around here!
Nice job Harry with the external salvage connections.
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Hey JT,
that rum was donated to him in the bilges a few years ago for all of the hard work that he has done learning the Balao class and he is just now finding the bottles :2funny: Now that Hairy has had his rum and found the "sound of music" movies in the bilge he can get back to work on his qualls
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Well let's see how much he knows.
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EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATLY SCHOOL OF THE BOAT IS SUSPENDED UNTIL ALL PERSONNEL ARE REASONABLY COMFORTABLE WITH DAMAGE CONTROL to include FLOODING AND FIRE, I have requested a VERY SPECIAL instructor :coolsmiley: teach this class because he is a fellow TM and I have little doubt in my mind that he will be able to help ALL of us when it comes to DC (Damage Control and NOT Direct Current) and yes I have a VOLUNTEER in mind for THAT block of instruction......... Run Chief Mike RUN because you will be up front on that one :knuppel2:
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who is the instructor? I thought I got the call and this points to another.
?quem funciona a escola = Who runs the school? (Portuguese)
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JT,
you are going to be teaching the Damage Control school of the boat and my other very special instructor :2funny: of the Von Stueben fame or is it Torsk fame will be teaching the electrical systems :2funny:
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ok
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Smile JT and Chief Mike....
it isn't THAT bad teaching these folks ;) all kidding aside we have a good bunch of folks here who want to learn and we just need to teach them what they need to know to make their boats safer and understand how they operate
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Bring it on Darrin. Knowing the electrical systems is a good idea especially if the boats are still using ship's electrical distruibution for lighting and utility receptacles.
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Chief,
Once we get through the FIRE and FLOODING side of the school of the boat your butt is on the podium teaching :2funny:
Personally I would like for it to be tought from power coming in from shore power to being distributed through the boat, but that is your call on what you want to teach.
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We have all of the deck plates, but I don't remember seeing any markings on them. Might be too much paint.
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IF you can please just send me the dimensions on the deck plates because I already have what goes on them posted on line, just need the size so I can have them manufactured. Thanks Mark
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Mark Allen will be getting that stuff for you.
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Thanks Mark