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Individual Submarine Boards => USS Batfish (SS-310) => Topic started by: Ctwilley on January 05, 2009, 02:32:46 PM
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Last Saturday also started a 4 day in a row work week for Cody, Travis Franklin, and myself.
In addition to freezing all three nights, we finished the displays in the wardroom, captain's cabin, and goat's locker.
We cleaned the crap out of the galley and crew's mess as well as polished some stainless while we were there.
The cold stores locker is ready for display if yours truely can ever remember to get to Lowes and pick up four large bolts to secure the grate to the floor and we cleaned out the arms locker.
On February 20th, you will find the gun cabinets fully stocked with 03 Springfields, 1911's, 1919's, Thompsons, carbines, trench guns, and period 40's ammo boxes.
We were able to trace the power supply lines into the boat. They enter the boat from the air salvage line to the after engine room (which coincidentally is where one of the leaks are).
We've also been studying the wiring diagrams to contemplate the feasability of hooking up power to the shore terminals although this may be a huge undertaking.
We had quite a nice work week.
Correy
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Are you going to run a dehumidier in gun locker? I'd hate to see all of those weapons rust from moisture.
I think the shore power hook-up runs the power aft to the maneuvering room and then it is dispersed from there. The Torsk guys highly recommend verifying all cable connections and their condition (plus fuse boxes and switches) before running power to anything. Remember that most lighting on the boat is no longer tied into the original electrical system - not sure about emergency lighting connections (other than battery connections, which we know are long gone). The original shore power connections would make it a lot easier to power other original equipment, but none of that stuff has been overhauled. We really need some electrical gurus to devote some serious time to these aspects - I know enough to be dangerous.
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How long are the guns going to be on display? For Feb. 20th or permanent? If for a long time maybe oiling the guns would be a good thing. How did they keep them from rusting when out to sea?
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Man you need a crapload of cosmoline I tell ya what!
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There was a product called VVL-800 (cleaner/ preservative) it didn't work as well as CLP which means that your small arms petty officer had to do maintenance monthly (sometimes sooner) on the weapons that were not used topside and those topside were maintainend accordingly due to the amount of humidity(rain/snow/etc). The problem with CLP is that it is an atmosphere contaminate and not kept on 688's (legally of course) ;) Sadly I have seen .45's turn rust colored before being brought down to be cleaned and yes I have even had to take a number of them to the Subase Armory in Pearl to use their solvent tanks to clean the rust out of them and get the firing pins out because they were rusted in place, I think that the first pair of whites that I had to replace were stained with rust from the .45 and the 12GA that I wore topside a few times when it was more then humid out.....
With CLP you should be good with your small arms for a number of months without having to clean them as long as no one handles them or plays with them, if they do no big deal a quick wipe down with a paper towel (or rag, my preference) will preserve them just nicely. For the first 6 months (if these are permenant display) I would clean them monthly and then go to quarterly if they are not requiring anything other then a light touch up once a month. IF you can't get CLP then don't worry about it any GOOD gun cleaning preservative will be just fine...
Hey Correy talk to your Armorer and see if he will donate a spray bottle full of CLP for the boat, I used to keep it by the gallon when I was the armorer in 3d ID and even when I was the small arms petty officer on the Honolulu.
And Lance,
COSMOLINE is some NASTY stuff to get out of the weapons once it has been applied, brake cleaner works fine and I have been told that steam cleaning works pretty good also along with a very long bath in a solvent tank ;)
Mark,
you got it brother, check everything out before trying to apply power to anything onboard because you don't want to burn your pride and joy down to the waterline..... er... ah.... the the keel blocks ;)
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IF you can find a place in your small arms locker or surrounding area a dehumidifier is priceless, forgot to mention that one earlier sorry :coolsmiley:
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Yeah, cosmoline is nasty to get off. We used gasoline earlier I think.
CLP is a great product. I use it to clean my 1911s unless they are really really dirty.
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Some take a couple of pictures of that fully armed armor locker - please... :coolsmiley:
Also no one has mentioned this but if you do not plan on displaying your guns all the time consider a gun sock. Here is straight from Calelas:
Silicone-treated, polyester/acrylic gun socks give valuable firearms protection against rust, dirt and scratches. The fabric won't hold moisture, making these gun socks ideal for year-round storage. Four different sizes to choose from to accommodate virtually any gun - scoped or unscoped. Extra-wide version stretches for use with large scopes. Drawstring closure. Made in USA.
# Sizes: Scoped Rifle/Shotgun - 52"
# Extra Wide Scoped Rifle/Shotgun - 52"
# Handgun - 13.5"
# Muzzleloader - 66"
I'm not sure that one will fit the Thompsons, but you can cut two in half and sew them together - probably go down to some local clearners and find one that does himming. It wouldn't cost much.
I use these gun socks on all of my guns and when I take one out after long periods the gun is still lookin good. Clean good and lightly oil them down before storing in a gun sock and you will be in good shape. These are very cheap - running from $4 to $7.
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I split this out into it's own thread
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JT, All of my weapons are stored in gun socks at home inside of their gun cases. It keeps them looking as nice as the day I put them away - sometimes for years.
The dehumidifer is still the best bet, since the boat only runs the air about 4 months out of the year. With the storage rooms being the lowest points on the boat, cold, moist air will collect there more than anywhere else.
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I'm a gun loving fool, so small arms and the Batfish is a great topic!
If the weapons are going to be on long term display in the gun locker, another option to consider is desiccant, depending on how well 'sealed' the gun locker is. I use it exclusively in my safe, though it sits inside a temperature controlled house. As far as preserving the metal finish of the weapons, CLP works well, is easily available (Walmart even carries the stuff), and is relatively cheap. The combination of desiccant and CLP has worked extremely well for my stuff. Cosmoline is very nasty stuff and suitable for long term storage and preservation rather than weapons that are going to be displayed and handled routinely. It is particularly nasty on and in wood and takes considerable work to remove without damaging wooden furniture.
Are the 1919s and Thompsons demils/dummies or semi only guns?
-Brad
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I have another sea story 8) but will save it for later. God I loved our Thompson! :smitten: I wish I had one today (alias in New Jersey I'd be an honest criminal) :'(
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Ok, wow this took off!
The weapons displays will be perminantly temporary. Twice a year we'll open up the arms locker and display our assortment of small arms. They're original weapons and since the boat is completely seperated from the museum with very little or no supervision aboard, we'll only display the weapons while the living history crew is aboard. They will provide enough deterrant to keep people from running away with anything and will also be able to demonstrate and discuss each weapon for the public. This is one area that I don't want to mess around and get something stolen. I'll be sure to take pictures so you all can see what it looks like.
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So some of these are registered C&R Title II machine guns owned by the museum? Very cool.
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"The weapons displays will be perminantly temporary. Twice a year we'll open up the arms locker and display our assortment of small arms"
HUH????????????
Correy you are freakin KILLING ME HERE :knuppel2:.
display them when your crew is onboard and then lock them up when your crew leaves for the day, there is way too much money in those weapons or replica's NOT to show them more then a few times a year.. This isn't an Army Arm's Room, this is a real life museum display (if ya make it so) and it should be showed. At least IMHO, I have carried 5 Aviation companies worth of weapons and not showed them to the public and only opened the arms room up to have the weapons cleaned/fired/ and used for road marches and in hind sight I would have opened it up more IF there was some one willing to pay to see them.
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By the way...
I was VERY MUCH KIDDING about the cosmoline! :coolsmiley:
In a small damp environment, I've had better luck with this stuff called DampRid (a granular moisture absorbent) than one of those electric golden rod dehumidifiers. I don't know what the problem was with that thing.
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Honestly, I would love nothing more than to perminantly display them but these are all privatly owned original weapons on loan to me personally by about 30 different people...except an M1, and 1919, those are my babies. I think I'd have better luck getting a bullion bar out of Ft. Knox than I would talking these guys out of their privately owned weapons.
Don't be discouraged though. I'm working on the procurement of several "non-guns" and demilled 03's. If I can get my hands on these, we will open up a perminant display.
Hey, wait a minute! I just had an idea!!!! For those of you familiar with the Tulsa area, we have the J.M. Davis gun museum in Claremore about a mile up the street from my house. I wonder if I could talk them into an intermuseum transfer or at least a loan. They have an ass-load of surplus weapons that aren't being displayed.
Rick, I'm going to try to do some sweet talking on the museum's behalf. We might be able to display this perminantly after all.
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The first idea that came to my mind was finding demilled M-1's used for parades to display year round. Non-working replicas is another idea. Even if they are plastic, as long as they look real through the grate it's doable. If we have plastic food on display, why not plastic (life-like) weapons?
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This is all good. Correy, see what we cand do. Keep in mind what will need to be don to make the weapons locker climate controled. and cleande dup. Maybe a coat of paint and electrical is in order. Also, make sure that they are secured. I love the idea of haveing the weapons locker open for display. The visitors will love it. I do not want to deal with a missing weapons.
As an after thought, Maybe we can remove the firing pin befor placing them inot the boat. Just one more leavel of security to keep live weapons from going out.
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Are there any steel eyelets welded to the wall in the gun locker? I thought most arms lockers, regardless of service, would have rods or chains run through all of the trigger housings to keep someone from walking off with one.
The light fixture down there will have to be looked into. More than likely, the fuse holder is just missing a fuse for that particular fixture, but it may be corroded to the point that power does not adequately light a bulb, anymore. Speaking of fuses, I have seen those types of fuses still sold at Wal-Mart and hardware stores. Robbing them from a derelict vessel is ideal, but the next best thing is making a trip to the store.
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Ok,
I went to the gun museum today. The director is on vacation this week but I have a meeting with him next week. We'll see what he says. Wish me luck. That museum's under the microscope right now. They've had something like 20 weapons stolen in the last couple of years, three of which were used in a robbery/homicide in New York. I may get the same response as if I asked for a loan from the Fort Knox gold vault.
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You know what might also work:
clean up the compartment, put a grate or plexi cover over the open hatch, and put what you can on diplay, but on one of the mess ables, have a laminated picture of a fleet sub gun locker (NARA has at least a few) that way folks know what it looked like and you don't have to worry!
Paul
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They won't be able to see much through the hatch. So, I think some photos hanging on the wall above the hatch in frames would be a good idea.
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You may have a point. The only reason why I would want some real ones is so that we can do some weapon's demonstrations. If we can't get them on loan, we can just have everyone bring their personal ones to the BLHA events and demo them for the public.
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On 688's there isn't anything but the doors and a real BIG lock keeping someone from taking the weapons (the Duty Chief keeps the keys and the COW keeps them underway) The TM's used to be the only ones able to get the keys (unless the small arms PO was in the WEP's Dept) ::) from the Duty Chief.
The USCG Cutter Taney in Bawlmore has her arms room on display, They have a simulated .50 Cal (Ma Deuce) and other weapons on display, with that being said they still have their "jail door" in place with plex covering it so you can see into the room.
In the Army's Arms Rooms they have multiple doors and locks and alarms before you can get to the weapons racks and yes those have bars on the weapons racks (with more locks) that keep them in place and the racks are chained to the ground using pad eyes and even more locks. There is a BIG process in getting access into the arms rooms and the process even being given access is a pain in the butt, Correy can tell you what it takes for his armorers even to get access.
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This brings up an interesting poin. I do not want to turn the boat into a bulletin board. Placing random picutures up has a tendency to do this. If we are going to make informational plackards, we will need to come up with a standard format that look nice but are obviously not part of the boat.