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Individual Submarine Boards => USS Batfish (SS-310) => Topic started by: Mark Sarsfield on March 25, 2008, 05:25:37 PM
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they always creeped me out, when I was opening the boat in the mornings, cause when it is dark in there and you see something staring at you in the dark it is just kind of weird. Also when i gave tours alot of little kids thought they were dead people, and one little kid even started crying because they were scary.
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I like the "dummies" in the sub museums, but proper attire and proper placement is key. That's just my 2 cents. :uglystupid2:
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I think the dummies at the Drum are alot better than the ones at the Batfish. :buck2:
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I think the dummies at the Drum are alot better than the ones at the Batfish. :buck2:
Are they beat up looking? Have any pics?
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We just moved "Skinney Ginney" from the galley to the referigartor until after the movie filming, some times they are a real pain when you have to work around them.
Tom
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Are they beat up looking? Have any pics?
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No they are just really faded and pale, and they are not place correctly.
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good discussion guys. Does anyone have pic os the drums?
I will get some of the Batfish ones....
Rick
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Here's my pics of the "Drum dummies"
(http://www.snakeyez.us/gallery/d/349-4/DSC00979.JPG)
(http://www.snakeyez.us/gallery/d/382-4/DSC00996.JPG)
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Thanks Lance, I will have to make you a crew member and I think you have more than earned a volunteer t-shirt.
Tom
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I like the "dummies" in the sub museums, but proper attire and proper placement is key.
I agree. I think if they are placed in the right places w/ dress from that time period, they are good. Laying them in a bed doesn't do much for me.
The one in the galley looks like he's had too much torpedo juice
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I agree there, and somehow he transported into the future and bought a U.S.S. Batfish t-shirt from Muskogee Oklahoma. :laugh:
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Regarding period dress on mannikins, remember that on war patrol, crews spent very little time in their dungaree pants and hats. Shorts were more like it, along with leather sandals. Shirts, T-shirt or otherwise, may have been optional. While the boats were air conditioned, I believe it mainly lowered the humidity but didn't keep the temperature as low like the systems of today. It was still rather warm, especially back in the engine rooms and maneuvering room. I think the only time they wore full dungarees was entering or leaving port.
If you end up removing the mannikins, then consider what they've done on the USS Cod, which is filling the living spaces up with reproduction bunk bags, ironing boards, old magazines, vintage foul weather gear and the like. There may not be mannikins but that boat looks full of life.
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Thanks for the pics of the Drum Dummies. What I am seeing, dummies always give the museum that cheap traveling carneval look. That is unless you get some real highend life like figures and those cost thousands of dollars. I am still of a mind to work more into something more like the Ward Room were we have the space all decked out and lived in.
I am open for comments.
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Yeah, a lived-in look sounds like the best approach. I heard several kids say that they were creeped out being on the Batfish last weekend. It doesn't make them want to come back, again, which is bad for business.
Sound effects piped through the boat would add to the realism of a working boat, as well. Even if you have some pump or electric motor humming noises piped over the speakers and maybe some metal creaking noises, it would make a big difference but you don't want to creep people out. ( ihave a bunch of submarien sound effects on my computer and a memory stick if anyoen wants me to email them to them). "People noises" being played over the speakers (i.e. conversations, tools hitting something metal, etc.) without anybody actually being seen making them would be a creep factor, too. The only exceptions would be a phonograph or radio.
Lighting is another issue. It's probably historical to have 40-watt bulbs in all of the lamps, but if it reminds people of a dungeon with cob webs, then, they aren't in any hurry to come back and show their friends. I like idea of having lights in the lower deck, too. Flourscent bulbs are great for saving energy, as long as they aren't directly visible. I have started looking for clear 60-watt bulbs when I go to the stores.
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Sound effects piped through the boat would add to the realism of a working boat,
Hey Rick - what has happened to the engine sounds? I checked the player last weekend and the CD was gone. Mark S. said they used it for one of their re-enactments (sp?)...would be nice to get that CD back and have the engine sounds playing again...IMHO.
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Mark,
I was guessing that we used it in Dec., for the tour, but I'm not really sure what its fate was, since I spent a lot of time in the conning tower.
A separate stereo making loud engine noises in the engien room(s) would be good, too - usually they cruised on 2 engines. You don't want that piped over the reproducers in every compartment.
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Mark, I was guessing that we used it in Dec., for the tour, but I'm not really sure what its fate was, since I spent a lot of time in the conning tower. A separate stereo making loud engine noises in the engien room(s) would be good, too - usually they cruised on 2 engines. You don't want that piped over the reproducers in every compartment.
I can recreate the CD if needed...was hoping Rick might have it...if not I can reproduce it and bring it on the 5th.
Rick - do you have it? the CD that is.
I agree...we have a separate system in the aft engine room that isn't piped thru the boat. It was rather cool to walk into the engine room and hear that sound...even if it was 1/4 the actual sound level.
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Now, if we could just replicate the vibration in the deck plates... hmmmm... We could hook up an electric motor under one of the plates with a slightly unbalanced wheel, but that would eventually wear out the motor bearings.
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I do not have the CD. It disappeared about the time the reenactors left. I will have a new one however. I am getting a master copy made for the museum and a working copy for the boat so this will not happen again.
Mark,
Look out for posts from Derrick Abel. He works for the local radio station and has been doing a lot of work with the boat. He has more information regarding the 1MC. He was telling me that the amp in it is preaty well shot. He also has several other ideas regarding getting more sound placed in the boat. I think he has some good ideas to work with.
Rick
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I do not have the CD. It disappeared about the time the reenactors left. I will have a new one however. I am getting a master copy made for the museum and a working copy for the boat so this will not happen again.
I can burn another engine sound one for the boat.
Also...FYI...Rick, please put an "S" or "A" after Mark, since you have two Mark's at the sub and on this board. Just trying to reduce confusion.
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Roger on Derrick Abel. I'll have to ask him how he determined that they were shot. I'd also be interested to hear how he even got power to the thing, since there isn't any juice in the I.C. panel.
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As far as noises, the Torsk is set up with a CD of the klaxon and a man saying "Dive Dive". The speaker is up in bridge somewhere and can be heard from the pier. In the galley Gil has made a DVD of footage from the Torsk (end of WW2 through the 60's). Patrons stop and watch. Since we are on the water, the sonar is active and can be heard when entering the control room. It is cool to hear the props in the water. Also, up in the conning tower a electric motor mounted on the ceiling and belt attached to the radar. It runs on 120v. Hit the switch and the radar spins up by the extended periscope. She looks alive and like a working submarine ready to go. Being she is on the water the running lights have to be on and in working order. So, from a distance you would really think the Torsk is seaworthy....but we know better ;)
As a side note, there is a air conditioning unit in the superstructure to cool the boat (somewhat) and when running you can feel/hear it through out the boat. She sounds like she is running. Add the panel lights that work here and there, the sonar sounds, klaxon going.....most patrons think she is ready to go.
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Those are all good ideas. We have to remount our radar motor.
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We are working on sounds for the boat. The current idea includes the use hybriding new audio equipment into the system. Of course everything will be very discretly hidden. We do have AC units on ours as well. They were just installed last year. They do an excellent job at keeping th boat cool.
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If someone wants to design a modern PA/alarm system that we can connect to the 1MC mics and alarm contactors, I'm cool with that. We could easily hide the connections behind the old 1MC stack since the wires all run back there, anyway. I am not even close to being savvy in electronics design, though. I can make a good attempt at fixing the older stuff before the integrated circuit days and that's about it.
The laptop idea that I came up with is a short-term solution for reenactments, because it's easily hideable in the tower. I don't see that being practical for long-term.
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Mark S,
This is why I am trying to get you and Derrick together. Hopefully He will start watching this forum.
Everyone,
As promised I have a few pics of the Batfish Dummies. The first pic is the one that initiall scares everyone. The seccond is the one in the goats locker that just creaps me out and the 3rd is the Gally fellow.
Yes he has seen better days.
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As promised I have a few pics of the Batfish Dummies.
Galley-man needs to go...as does the modern day Coke can.
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Rick - speaking of the galley, what happened to the CD that was in the record player? That use to play big band era music...but the CD is gone.
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I have a wide selection in the office. I will get one back in again. I am not sure what happened to the old one.
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Yes, that was a good addition when giving tours, I thought it put people back in the time period.
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I have a big band CD that I am now keeping in my maintenance locker on board the boat, if you want to use that one, too.
Back to the dummies, Rick do you want the crew to remove the dummies from the boat while we are there over Memorial weekend - I noticed that "Bud" has already been removed? Also, we can use the muscle to move to bunks around that interfere with the doors. These are projects that we can do after hours and probably near sunset when outside work has ceased. I'm guessing that you'll be working us like Hebrew slaves under the Egyptian whip as long as the sun is up. :)
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That reminds me, I need 4 of you to carry me around in my gold plated chair. ;D
If we are going ot work on the interiors I would like to see the following...
The Goats Locker needs to be chanted into a Goats Locker. This area is geared to be a Sick bay, but that is not right.
remove the dummie in the Galley.
Fix up the beds in the crews Quarters will be a good idea. I do need to go through this entire room and strip all the bunks out and shor them up properly for future Sleep overs. I am saving thsi project for the Creek Crew kids...
I do not mind the maniquines in the boat. The other boats have provided feed back that the maniquines are usefule in demonstrating life on the sub. We do need to meke them less creepy thoug. I am also planning on placeing one in one of the engine rooms. Tom Speers (former Machinest Mate) donated his old Dungarees to the museum. They are a real eye opener....
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I agree that the Goat Locker needs to be converted back as such.
Definitely get rid of the galley dummy. He catches me off guard every time.
The sleeping officer in the jr. officer quarters is fine. Only one or two of use will be in there at any given time. I might move him down to the lowest bunk, if that's okay with you. it's easier for us to get into the higher bunks and the light fixture is broken on the lowest one, anyway.
It would be cool to have some dummies that look like they are working. The engine rooms are big enough that we could stash one of them in one of the corners and still have free access - same with the torpedo rooms. Fire marshal would frown if they were in the way, anyway. One below decks would be nice, too, but they would need to be positioned below one of the few deck plates that have holes in them.
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It would be cool to have some dummies that look like they are working.
Come out on a volunteer weekend :2funny: ;D :P
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That will work. I am looking for more dummies. I have a ligit. uniform worn by Tom Speers as a Machinist Mate on the boat. It is ragged. I would like that displayed in the engine room....