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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #165 on: November 03, 2008, 12:52:17 PM »
So far, the new wood just bleaches to a light gray color.

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #166 on: November 04, 2008, 07:54:09 PM »
corry,
I am in agreement to this.  I cannot say what you will get as I will be streaching this as far as I can.   
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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #167 on: November 05, 2008, 02:28:39 PM »
Not to mention, if the wood is left untreated, it will deteriorate in the Oklahoma elements a lot faster than if it was protected.
I think that if we keep it conditioned and painted (with the correct paint) it should last twice as long as if it's exposed to the elements. I don't want any of us to have to do this again in a year or 10 years. Let's make it last. Besides, we may have to wait a couple of months for the test to be complete.

I have several different types of paints set up. My plan is to paint a piece with each type and subject them to the Oklahoma seasons. I'll continuously freeze them while wet and then warm them to 120 degrees in high humidity over the following month to simulate a rapid changing of the seasons. Meanwhile, while it's at it's hottest and coldest states (the weakest times of the paint), I'll take a piece of sand paper and rub it a couple of times to simulate yearly wear. After a month of doing this, we'll see how each type of paint stands up to the test.

It's the same basic test done on countless other materials just modified for our deck.

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #168 on: November 05, 2008, 02:47:19 PM »
You might be able to speed up the process for winter testing by soaking the wood in water to simulate rain, then put it in a freezer for the winter months to see if the wood cracks. That would be good for the winter months
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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #169 on: November 05, 2008, 08:13:16 PM »
put the wood on a heat lamp too - simulate rain, sun, and cold
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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #170 on: November 05, 2008, 11:18:04 PM »
The wood topside should be painted black and if you all want I can get the paint numbers from Torsk because that paint is supposed to last for quite a while instead of a few years before being repainted.

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #171 on: November 06, 2008, 11:40:02 AM »
Corry,

I would also like to test a piece untreated.  Just to see what will happen.  Remember this wood has already been sitting in the elements for 3 years unprotected.   I agree with your sentiment on making this last as long as we can.   

Torsk guys.   
We are going with the 2 tone grey and black paint scheme necessary used in WWII.   Any help in paint numbers or collor identifiers ect would be very helpful.

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #172 on: November 06, 2008, 01:38:24 PM »
Rick,
I will call one of our experts later tonight and get the paint numbers and manufacture's name and hopefully a phone number on them also

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #173 on: November 06, 2008, 05:45:22 PM »
Paint sucks.  When you paint, you have to re-paint once it starts looking like crap.  Too bad some big company like Line-X who does those nice spray-in truck bed liners isn't interested in something like this.  LOL

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #174 on: November 06, 2008, 06:20:52 PM »
Hmmm......

Rick, we have a local Line-X.

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #175 on: November 06, 2008, 07:18:58 PM »
I'd like the deck painted black too...but mostly I'd like the old deck removed and the new deck put on.

I'll be there the 15th if anyone wants to come help.

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #176 on: November 06, 2008, 09:15:58 PM »
ask and you shall recieve, TorskDoc is going to hook you up

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #177 on: November 06, 2008, 09:21:41 PM »
For all the other boats that are using the same kind of wood. I'll share the results with everyone on the board. There's no sense in reinventing the wheel.

As far as the tests are concerned, our lab at work has everything we need including large freezers kept at -30 deg. F and large ovens kept at 120 deg F. What I'm going to do is soak the wood over night every night to simulate rain and snow. I'll then freeze the wet blocks in the mornings. The water soaked into the wood will expand and if the wood (and paint) is going to crack, that's when it'll happen. It won't take but an hour to freeze it solid but in the afternoons I'll move them into the oven. As the ice melts, it will give the wood a wet cooking, simulating a rain soaked deck in the summer. As the water evaporates, you'll get the simulated hot dry weeks in August. The heat should weaken the paint and if it's going to come off after being loosened, that's when it's going to happen. Going from one extreme to the other in such short time periods will severly stress the wood and paint. We can put the "deck" through both harsh "seasons" in the course of a day.

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #178 on: November 06, 2008, 09:46:05 PM »
Correy,
while that is great that you are looking at all of the seasons you aren't taking into account the amount of traffic topside.... that in it self makes a HUGE difference to how paint holds up regardless of what temp it is at or how wet it is...

Take the UH-60, the General's bird was always painted and waxed but a regular bird that worked it's arse off you knew it the second you opened the doors.. it doesn't matter how much paint the crew chief puts down it is the amount of traffic that ultimately decides how many times you will have to paint and or replace the materials that you are walking on..

In submarine terms... on a sea going 688 I could paint it every couple of months to make it look good BUT IF we were not going to sea much the paint could last for months and even a year before I had to repaint her hull..

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Re: Batfish Deck
« Reply #179 on: November 06, 2008, 10:18:02 PM »
Been there Done that. 

DON'T Re-invent the wheel here.  Torsk has had the same problems and there are some work arounds.  From what I understand your getting purple heart.  It's a good HARD Stable wood, with a tight grain.  It WILL be hard to get paint to stick to it BUT the MACRO EPOXY Primer will take care of that. As for the wood aging it WILL turn Gray NOT brown or black.

Probably best thing to do with the superstructure after repairs to steel is:

1.) Use a 2 part MACRO EPOXY Primer on steel and wood.  This stuff is super thin and gets in UNDER rust, loose paint, etc. and seals it in, encapsulating it. 
Only drawback is it takes 24 hours to set up and dry.  Sherwin Williams makes it.  It's a marine painting system and the topcoat is vinyl (YUK!!! :tickedoff: :tickedoff:)

2.)  Get a good Alkyd Enamel (Rustoleum or Equiv.)  for Gray.  We've been using Rustoleum Ocean Gray and Rustoleum Semi Gloss Black.   Make sure it's a Blue Back not a Brown Black.   Or if International Paint has a Marine Epoxy that they are willing to donate or even bring down to Rustoleum prices, use that. The Epoxy will last one hell of a lot longer than an alkyd, which lasts a hell of a lot longer than a vinyl.

3.) Fade in the turn of the superstructure edge.  NO HARD EDGE.  Use a sprayer and feather edge it.  Make it so that when someone looks straight down over it they DO NOT SEE GRAY. 

 
When using the topcoat for the First Time, put down TWO COATS!  Let the Stuff set up at least 4 hours between coats (even in the OKLA Summers).  With the Gray and Black on the vertical surfaces of the superstructure it will need touch up or a re-coat in 5-6 years.  The horizontals (deck) will require every two-three years.  Your deck is similar in structure to ours in that it's a mix and the paint wears off faster than it fades, checks, cracks, peels, etc.  HOWEVER We DON'T have a fenced in section of plywood and DO allow visitors to roam all over deck.  We do keep a section (2ft across) the length of the boat for those who prefer high-heels (personally you better be wearing a skirt with those heels) but I'd rather have the museum require them to wear flats on the boat.  You'd probably be better off keeping the fenced in area.  Kids just LOVE to climb on the wire ropes and swing, and it's a looooonnnnnng way down to hard ground.    :'( :'(  Although some adults/parents are just as bad if not worse.

It doesn't matter what kind of topcoat you use on the deck due to visitor wear and the deck cooking in the sun.  Wear and deterioration is accelerated as it's a horizontal surface.  So be prepared to paint every two years or so.  It takes me about 8 hours to paint the deck from stem to stern with a roller after it's been run over with a scraper and a needle gun.  Don't worry about the sides and the bottom of the deck boards too much. The initial coats will be sufficient for about eight-ten years.  It doesn't get as much direct sun, rain, snow, etc as the ttop.  TWO good coats at first with a re-coat every two-three years is sufficient. 

In the last ten years we've only had to paint the sail TWICE.  And that's mainly from interior deterioration (backside pinholes) and pigeon crap.  Bird Crap is your biggest problem as far as paint holding up.  If you've got a major pigeon problem, you may end up having to paint every two years instead of 5 on the vertical surfaces.   


Sideboard Numbers 18" High 12" across with a 4" thickness.  White with Black offset of 2" on the right side and lower diagonals and bottoms.  Note:  Those numbers are what I remember (I'll let Darrin tell you how feeble minded you can get when you hit 53! ???) but they are bound to be off.  If your numbers look good take a metal punch and make marks at each corner.  When you get to the point where you are ready to paint in the numbers, just tape off from punch mark to punch mark, and go to town. 


If you have a pot sprayer it goes a lot faster.  AND you can get places that rollers and brushes can't. 

Have fun,  I DON'T ENVY you guys one bit.   AND FOR GAWDS SAKE DON'T PAINT ANY TEETH ON HER!!! :uglystupid2:

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