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2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« on: February 24, 2013, 10:57:58 PM »
Had a good chat with Rick and Mark S. at the Batfish today.  Mostly talked logistics, project scope and priority.  No pics today. There are many changes in the plan for the park and the museum proper, but the below will focus on the boat only.

The marching orders seem to be, 1).  Dig out the stern.  I believe and Mark/Rick concur that our current list and the rudder and stern planes being so far underground are putting "torque" on the stern of the boat.  They are beginning to see a buckle in the upper deck and as weather and ground saturation change, it is affecting the boat.  - Get out the shovels. 2).  Repair/Replace the Port screw guard.  It is bent and also torqued and is ripping part of the hull out with it.  I could sure use a screw guard print from one of the other boats.  ;)  3).  Repair/Replace the deck supports and deck wood on the Bridge.  Remove all of the brackets that are left and copy.  There are still the lower brackets for the swing down port and starboard foot platforms and the port swing down seat bracket.  These should be a start......More to come......DBF.

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2013, 11:53:21 AM »
What weekend do you want to dig, pressure wash, and paint the stern?  I can send the word out, but it may end up being just the two of us.  Mark A. used to send out the work weekend emails to a large group of recipients, but I no longer have any of those.

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2013, 01:10:55 PM »
Good question.  I want to wait until after the Navy inspectors are through and see what they have to report to Rick that may change the priority lists.  I ALSO want to have a better understanding of where the ships power is located.  After talking with Rick, it exits the stern and possibly travels over the starboard stern plane!!  If we start digging in there we will have to cut power to the boat at the pole first.  I also need to know what kind of issues for insurance, personal liability if we get into the lines, where are going to put the excess dirt, how will we coffer the rear to keep the hill from sliding into the hole, etc.  As close as the power line is to the dig, I may call in my F.I.L.  He is is a lot better on the bucket with underground obstructions. I'll probably bring the tracked bobcat out as well to smooth and surface the area. It is alot less damaging to the turf.

There is going to be some expense in the rear wall (whatever that ends up looking like) and even if we do the work with free equipment, MWM is going to have to cover for materials.  At the very least, I think it will have to be a concrete-footed paver stem wall with a gravel/french drain relief behind it.  I would have to go shoot some transit elevations to see if it would need other reinforcement or not based on the downhill slope.  Who did the work on the railroad-tie gangway-support replacement?

Do you have a pressure washer and is there a specific primer/paint that has been being used and does MWM have any more?

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2013, 02:43:16 PM »
Rick has the info on the contractor and the paint that we used on the rest of the lower hull - the rudder and planes will be black.  He wasn't too thrilled with the contractor and some of the short-cuts that they made to the brick retaining wall and other areas.

I think the paint will be roll-on paint.  All of the photos from the painting day in 2010 or 2011 (can't remember which year) showed people with rollers.

I do not have a pressure washer.  Other work volunteers have them, but I'm not sure if we will see them any time soon.  So, we might need MWM to shell out a little cash for a rental.  We will need to bring about 50 yards worth of hose, too.

Understood on the dirt issues.  It might help to limit how close we dig to the retaining wall that the gang plank attaches to.  I believe that the tip of the stern is about 12 to 15 feet from the wall.  The rudder and stern planes will be closer to 20 feet from the wall.

I'm wondering if we should dig down to the top of the planes by hand, first, with hand tools.  We can at least locate the power cable and also see the condition of the planes.  Then, we can use a backhoe to dig out the rudder and around the planes, with the final work probably being done by hand, again - i.e. getting dirt out from under the planes.  Regardless of the current metal condition, we'll slap paint on her until we can do repairs.


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I just realized that we'll have to dig from the tip of the stern to about where the hatch is for the ATR, because the prop shafts need to be completely liberated from dirt, as well.  Maybe we can get mock-up props installed some day, but we'll just start with them coming out of the dirt.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2013, 03:40:12 PM by Mark Sarsfield »

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2013, 04:00:39 PM »
We need to see if Tom's Alabama crew can wip up another set of aluminum jobbies like the Drum has.   ;)

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2013, 04:10:23 PM »
Then, maybe we can coat them with something to make them look more like brass.

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2013, 04:13:28 PM »
Afer looking at the last dry dock pictures on Torsk, I think that color would be a mix of greens.

Edit: an expensive french colour : Verdigris'
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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2013, 04:16:06 PM »
Their brass has been sitting in brackish water.  So, it's probably corroded.

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2013, 06:03:20 PM »
Mark, just looked at the stern lines print.  We have to dig 10' down to clear the bottom of the rudder.   :o  Not a big deal to do in the sandy ground we have, but we ARE going to have a pond.

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013, 07:51:50 PM »
Torsk no longer has her screws (propellers) her Starboard one is on display in Pennsylvania (IF I remember correctly) and the Port one was removed during the last drydock.. yes the bottom of the hull is black and if you go through the school of the boat or submarine discussion you will see that we actually discussed paint codes and I believe that Sherman Williams still makes some of the paint colors used.. Naval Jelly (rust inhibitor) works very very well in preserving your metal that is wasting away and yes it is expensive.. And if you look at the COD she hasn't had her screws in years :2funny: in more ways then one :2funny:

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013, 07:55:58 PM »
Hey guys,

little thought here, i know in Virginia the utility companies did dig tickets for free, miss utilities was very good about coming out and marking ALL of the stuff in the ground so that it was not severed by an over zealous construction crew or home owner and we used the 5' rule when it came to digging with heavy equipment around power/water/sewer lines.. what that ment was hand digging a lot of dirt, however it kept us from spending a LOT of money to redo the utility lines.

Just food for thought and again my .02 worth

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2013, 10:08:49 PM »
We can get the backhoe for almost nothing.  Just the price of fuel to use it.  Jim owns it.

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 10:17:35 PM »
wish I was there to help Mark and Jim

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2013, 10:26:42 PM »
Thanks Darrin, our "screw" problem is a little different.  ALL your boats are in the water and having no screws is hidden.  Our lack of screws would be quite obvious.  Right now you can't tell because we are almost full-rudder deep in the dirt, although I heard someone ask if they were under there this last "open house" day.  You are also right about power markings.  Here in Oklahoma its called - "Call Okie". The issue is they will only locate lines on right of ways and to the service.  Our service is on the pole.  The problem is the line from the pole to the boat.  

I also appreciate the input on the digging. I worked as an inspector for a city and private civil engineer for several years and you wouldn't believe what people can do to underground services.  I watched a guy plow a field right up to the road and sever a 500 pair line.   :o  He had to sell one of his kids.  Another guy snagged a main line and got stuck.  Didn't know what he snagged until he stepped off and grounded (without the tires insulating).  Blew off an arm and a leg and killed him instantly.  I have GREAT respect for underground power.

Come on down Darrin!!  We have plenty of fun stuff to do!  It's only time and gas money. .... ;D

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Re: 2-24-2013 BATFISH Report
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2013, 10:43:35 AM »
Darrin,

  What is the diameter of the screws?  When we dig the Bat's stern out, we'll probably need to make a wide, shallow basin under it to accommodate future screw replicas.  Shallow walls would also reduce the need for reinforcing the basin's walls.  We will probably just need a small retaining wall near the nearest pylon holding up the gangplank to the boat.

  Speaking of gangplank, Jim, I wonder how much that will twist and bend if/when the boat goes to settle upright with the stern free.  My idea is to dig out the planes, first and then the rudder, since the rudder is probably the main culprit keeping the boat listing.  You don't want the boat to settle with the planes still underground.  We're going to hear some creaking from the gang plank.  Maybe we need to loosen the bolts holding it in place before freeing the boat.

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