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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2014, 03:31:09 PM »
Mark,

I for one will tell you that I am pissed off about the treatment of the OK mast, it is a disgrace and should have been left in Hawaii.. HOWEVER it was left outside by the Navy for decades and I doubt that they will come in and try to take it back.

Honestly until you posted the recent pictures of it I had ASS/U/ME(D) that the mast was being taken care of and possibly being restored, and with the loss of the volunteer group working on Batfish, I doubt that unless the new director there cleans house and starts fresh with new people it will change anytime soon.

With that being said I don't know IF the director can fire the dead weight employees if they are truly paid employee's unless they show reason or cause and no not making a plan to restore historical macro artifacts and following through with it or giving tours of your park let alone the inside of the building is not a firing offense. We had a curator at one of the museums that I have worked with that the only thing that he was trusted to do was answer the phone even though he was supposed to be setting up tours and helping with getting the new displays placards designed and then purchased, he was and still is employed there and is a true waste of space.

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2014, 12:11:17 AM »
MWALLEN,
As a relatively new member, I am still playing catch-up with all of the great (and not-so-great) things I am learning here, so there are times when my support/commentary might not be immediate.

I've read the posts about the mast of the Oklahoma, and just recently come across the band-aid "fix" for it. It isdeplorable, and should be addressed until it is rectified... however... given the state of affairs across the board when it comes to items such as this, I think that the cacophony of scraping from 152 soap boxes isn't happening due to a couple of possible reasons:
1)  Status quo. If my chippings from this iceberg of frustration are reliable, it would appear...and I say "appear" as an outsider looking in... that this is pretty much that which is expected nowadays. I share and understand your frustration, as - I imagine - do many others. After reading about the Ling and Clamagore, though... this surprises me not.
2) Quiet and resigned frustration. There are a metric butt-ton of contributors with insanely awesome ideas shared here. Folks I would love to share a Scapa with and swap tales of lamentations concerning management. Seriously? Who would think of "reinstating" qualification ratings for Volunteers/Staff?? That is devious ingenuity right there, and I would be right up at the front of the line to be told "Ya don't have it right, Mac... try again." There is, unfortunately, a very solid wall that people gifted with vision (or at least corrected to self-adjusting 20/20 hindsight) hit when faced with the "Cliffs of Insanity" that is what appears to be the state of affairs with management of the various museum ships... Try and try again, and the cliffs keep producing an even more slippery slope of inane and misguided goals, and the boulders of misaligned "priorities" keep a' fallin'... Until... It gets too much and people just say "to hell with it" and reorient themselves in a direction that makes much more sense.
3) Busy. As I type this, I am getting questions of "Pizza?", "Who is James Garner?", ect... and much like the #2, I am tempted to close this page and focus on the folks who are STILL awake and in need of attention. To do so would be, essentially, setting aside that which is important for that which is a priority. Or vice-versa. I don't know which, as they are easily interchangeable, but that is pretty much my point.

Should something be done about this? Absolutely.
Do I know what exactly? Not a clue.
But I hear you...
"When you're holding people's attention, I feel you must give them high-quality ingredients. They deserve nothing but your best. And if they need information, get it, cross-check it, and try to be right. Do not waste their time; do not enjoy the ego trip of being onstage."

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2014, 08:13:53 AM »
Hey Darrin...thanks for your support.

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HOWEVER it was left outside by the Navy for decades and I doubt that they will come in and try to take it back

Actually, according to this story: http://www.tinker.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123210948

It says:

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In 2006, the mast, buried in the mud, was discovered by Navy personnel dredging the bay area. It was removed and placed in a hangar at Ford Island, in the middle of Pearl Harbor, where it has continually deteriorated.

It wasn't outside...but in a hangar.  Was that the best place for it?  No.  However, it was in a "building" for 4 years.  It sat outside in Muskogee for 4 years and now doesn't even have a building to reside in...only a carport type structure.

I thrive on facts and needed to point out that it hasn't been sitting outside for decades, as it was discovered in 2006.

No disrespect intended...and I do value your support my friend.

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But I hear you...
...Thanks for your support bucketrider...I think you have more of a clue than you think you do.

Mark
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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2014, 08:34:17 AM »
At least in Hawaii, it was "climate controlled".  Warm and humid.  :)  In Oklahoma it has 90 degree swings in temperature change. Winter snow with extreme ice and 10 degrees to 100 degree heat in the summer.  All of this for 3 years directly on the mast to include UV damage that it did not get in the warehouse.  Sad......The ice alone is responsible for a lot of the surface damage.

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2014, 10:08:13 AM »
In HI you have salt air to contend with.  At the end of the day, it's all bad. 

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2014, 11:51:06 AM »

...Thanks for your support bucketrider...I think you have more of a clue than you think you do.

Mark

Thanks, Mark.
I really hope the ideas and clues I have from consolidating what you folks have to say will eventually be useful...

No... let me restate: This will be useful...

 ;)
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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2014, 11:30:28 PM »
Mark,

Thank you for the correction because I remember parts of the USS Oklahoma on Ford Island back in the early '90s and sadly I had assumed that her mast was one of those parts.

Mike chime in as to whom you are on the new members page please.

Darrin

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2014, 11:39:29 PM »
Darrin - Mike is the former bucketrider
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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2014, 11:48:33 PM »
Thanks Mark,

I thought he was familiar just didn't recognize his new screen name especially knowing a few Mike's.

As always keep your chin up my friend, it does look like there is a bright light at the end of your tunnel and I don't think that it is a train this time

Darrin

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2014, 12:28:31 AM »
Yeah... I changed because it was starting to throw me off when people acknowledged something I said...
"Who the hell is this 'bucketrider' person that... oh. That's me.

I'm sometimes dense, by the way...
"When you're holding people's attention, I feel you must give them high-quality ingredients. They deserve nothing but your best. And if they need information, get it, cross-check it, and try to be right. Do not waste their time; do not enjoy the ego trip of being onstage."

Henry Rollins

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2014, 07:39:50 PM »
Let's keep this thread on topic guys.....

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2014, 08:42:10 PM »
Thank you Jim,

Let's keep this on topic and hopefully the new Director will get in contact with both Marks and Correy and let's see the Batfish start over again with a new Captain at the helm whom is ready and willing to support them so that they can finally do what they started out to do and that is RESTORE the Batfish and tell her story and now the story of the USS Oklahoma and the piece of history that they have.

Again Thank you Jim for deleting my post, I should have done that earlier and kept this on topic.

Darrin

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Re: USS OK Mast
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2014, 10:00:04 PM »
Lesson learned...
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"When you're holding people's attention, I feel you must give them high-quality ingredients. They deserve nothing but your best. And if they need information, get it, cross-check it, and try to be right. Do not waste their time; do not enjoy the ego trip of being onstage."

Henry Rollins