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General Boards => Submarine Related Chatter => School of the Boat => Topic started by: Darrin on January 17, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
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it has come to my attention that this thread started roughly 4 years ago and hasn't been worked on in a few years HOWEVER it truly shows on the counters how many have come to this simple thread and did research for their projects and for their general knowledge, however I kind of believe that there are more unanswered questions out there now that there are more people onboard.
IF there is folks start asking because I am sure that we can try to answer all of your questions,
Darrin :idiot2:
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Hey, I'd love for us to talk about anything around here. :)
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Darren,
Even if no one is up for another School of the Boat, please please please leave the thread up. The information contained within is invaluable, not only as a reference to the text, but the firsthand knowledge that's posted with it. I've found myself using it as a quick-reference now and again when I can't remember the answer to a question that I have. Click...click...and there's the answer. ;)
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Agreed. We BLHA officers have decided to pursue tackling the plumbing system on the Batfish, finally.
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Corey,
The only way that the school of the boat thread is going away is when Lance shuts the board dow, it is here for everyone to use and once more i think we need to revisit some of the lessons learned in more detail if possible
Darrin
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Well Lance,
It looks like this thread lives again, Call Martha and re-invite Paul to show back up and give us a hand on the san tank issue
Darrin
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Pictures of the access hatch from the various boats would be a big plus. If ours is truly buried under a layer of tile (probably installed when she became a dockside trainer), we'll have to get permission to pull the tile up to access it.
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Well Lance,
It looks like this thread lives again, Call Martha and re-invite Paul to show back up and give us a hand on the san tank issue
Darrin
OK :)
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Well Lance,
After what a month it looks like this thread is living once more and helping people again and I am glad to see that it is working once more...
For the lurkers PLEASE speak up, this forum is for everyone and I for one don't know everything and god help me if I have come off like I do because I don't
Darrin
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For the lurkers PLEASE speak up, this forum is for everyone and I for one don't know everything and god help me if I have come off like I do because I don't
A question that has been on my mind a lot from the 4th patrol of the Silversides:
"Thus with a dangling torpedo with war head attached, a fuel and air leak, an explosion in a main generator and Cream of Wheat in the main induction, all within two hours time, it was decided to leave the area two days ahead of schedule unless leaks can be stopped."
In my numerous trips to subs, I have looked around for how this “box of breakfast food” could get lodged under the bell crank lever of the main induction valve. I even asked at the Silversides, but I think my question wasn’t clear enough due to my distraction of the sounds from the cooling engine.
My only guess is the huge valve in the overhead… but I’m drawing a blank as to how such a substantial lever could be stopped by a cardboard box… well… ok, yes – it needs to be completely seated to close… however (and this is starting to feel like a dumb question due to recently reading), don’t these valves close via hydraulic power?
Forgive the ignorance – I’m better with some things visually…
Update:
Since no one ever answered the last two questions, I'll take a stab at it. You asked for "main induction valves". I see two in the diagram that you posted. There are several induction valves, but only two "main induction valves". There is one in each of the engine rooms. There is a lever next to each one attached to the overhead that operates the valves open and shut.
Ok... Like I said before, there's a LOT of good information here... It just takes some time to get to.
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Darrin asked me if I wanted to do some School of the Boat stuff again. I'm checking with him on some stuff I just did - maybe we'll posting something soon. Anyone up for going back to school? :coolsmiley:
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JT,
I am up for it, however I just finally changed my email address to my current one.. Have been locked out of the army.mil account for a while now and haven't been able to get back into it, so if any of you have sent me emails in the past and I have not replied back to you I have to apologize for that and will try to get that email account opened back up once more
Darrin
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Darrin I will need your current email address - mine is still good either Hotmail or gmail works
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JT,
Sorry about that my friend, my current email is dsinger1211@gmail.com and please restart the school of the boat and lets see how many people that we can get back on here once more ;)
Darrin
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Anyone wanna address Mike's questions up a few posts?
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I think I figured it out when I went to the Drum... crew's mess overhead near the galley?
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You got it, it is located in the Crews Mess in the Overhead which is at the aft side of the Galley, one thing to remember is that the pass through openings on WWII boats were changed throughout the years and from boat to boat.. There are boats that had no pass through windows and others have a space that even I can fit through at 6'3" and not hurt myself getting through...
What has been taught on here and what is in the submarine manual is kind of "generic" because every boat is different inside in very small ways and that is what makes them unique and special IMHO, there is no "true" manual for 1 class of submarine that will work 100% of the time no matter what unlike a "Chiltons Manual" for x year and type of car or truck.
With that being said, while there are those on here whom know or those whom think that they know (I kinda fall into the latter part) unless they crawl top to bottom on them and have hand traced every system out on their boat they will really never know what they truly have in front of them.
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Thanks, Darrin...
I sorta figured that there were a lot of differences in the boats... EB/Cramp/Mare Island/Manitowoc differences aside, the nature of the boats were continuously evolving, much like anything else that is used heavily. Perhaps this is what is so interesting about the "school of the boat" - knowledge/insight that wouldn't be as easy to share without the internet is being "documented" before it is lost. It's a shame that this ability wasn't available 30-40 years ago...
"...Or those whom think that they know unless they crawl top to bottom on them and have traced every system out on their boat..."
I like this... I like it a lot for all of the reasons that the average person would probably never understand why most of the people reading this do what they do for their boats (and others, if you really think of it).
[Soapbox]
One of the things I took from my 13 total years in Hawaii was the importance on oral history as well as the critical need for intelligent preservation of that which works. For example, the art of hula and surfing were forbidden by early Protestant missionaries... yet they lived on. Most impressively, man by the name of Nainoa Thompson recently re-taught himself Polynesian navigational techniques that were not taught for several generations. I could go on, but you folks are intelligent and somewhat busy, therefore you get the idea.
What is done here is - to me - still in the same spirit of preserving through words. No, there isn't one manual for all boats - but there are contributors to this bulletin board that form a loose sort of hive mind on the topic... whether it be a discussion of critical MBT issues, what to do about cooling water for operational engines, or even keeping the discussion on the topic at hand... whatever. It seems that the answer is out there and if it isn't, then someone has a copy of a long-lost manual or remembers a conversation with someone about that and the answer willbe forthcoming.
...Point is, I - for one - thoroughly enjoy the "School of the Boat" and hope that it goes on. Not only for the present, but for that question 20 years from now when someone gets the funding to put a boat back to sea again... lol